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Christian Nationalism is a disease. From the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay through Manifest Destiny and the belief that it was God's desire and will that America extend from sea to shining sea, to today's Evangelicals. Christian nationalism is a disease. Nothing good comes from marrying religious beliefs and over the top patriotism....

Do you think the same about Jewish nationalism?
 
Christian Nationalism is a disease. From the Puritans in Massachusetts Bay through Manifest Destiny and the belief that it was God's desire and will that America extend from sea to shining sea, to today's Evangelicals. Christian nationalism is a disease. Nothing good comes from marrying religious beliefs and over the top patriotism....

Nationalism in general is garbage. Has nothing to do with Christians.
 
Trump also promised them that they would be allowed to say "Merry Christmas" again if Republicans do well in the mid-terms. I'm so relieved. I am so tired of being fined and threatened every time I speak that holiday greeting. :rolleyes:
 
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Do you think the same about Jewish nationalism?

I have not given it enough thought. I was raised a Roman Catholic, in a heavily Catholic state. I became intensely interested in the early Gnostic Christian movements, those Christian communities of the first 4 centuries of Christianity that were eventually eradicated by the Roman church. Eventually, I came to believe that combining religious beliefs with nationalistic fervor was not a good thing. I also left my Catholic faith when I was about 16 years old. But I look at Christ as my elder brother, due to spiritual experiences I had many years ago. I belong to no church.

I just think that as time went on, the brand of Americanized Christianity that developed here was just not a good thing. I know that does not say much, it's not an easy thing to describe in a few words. I also became somewhat fascinated with Mormonism, since it developed here, in America, and became so highly successful.

I'm rambling here, I know, but the roots of Christianity, and the roots of all the world's major religions and spirirual beliefs has always attracted me. Sometimes I think we need new revelations, new understandings of our place in nature, our spiritual nature, the meaning of our existence, something that supersedes what I feel is the empty husk that is Americanized Christianity today.
 
Do you think the same about Jewish nationalism?

Well, I guess I can say this. All of my closest friends in high school were Jewish. I lived in a neighborhood, here in RI, that was heavily Jewish. My friends taught me Yiddish. They got a kick out of having a "mashugana goyum", a crazy gentile, as their friend. They took me to the Jewish Community Center for dances. I got to know their parents well. Their grandparents had been put to death in the camps. They were all Eastern European Jews. So, how can I not think the Jews deserve a home of their own? I can't. But neither do I like how the Palestinians have been treated. So I'm conflicted in that respect, but I'm glad I had all those Jewish friends when I was a kid...
 
Well, I guess I can say this. All of my closest friends in high school were Jewish. I lived in a neighborhood, here in RI, that was heavily Jewish. My friends taught me Yiddish. They got a kick out of having a "mashugana goyum", a crazy gentile, as their friend. They took me to the Jewish Community Center for dances. I got to know their parents well. Their grandparents had been put to death in the camps. They were all Eastern European Jews. So, how can I not think the Jews deserve a home of their own? I can't. But neither do I like how the Palestinians have been treated. So I'm conflicted in that respect, but I'm glad I had all those Jewish friends when I was a kid...

There is nothing to be conflicted about. If they deserve an ethno-supremacist nation, then so do the neo-Nazis. Don't see the big difference.
 
Exactly, can’t have double standards there.

It is literally one of the biggest talking points in the white nationalist movements. 'Everyone has a right to ethnic self-determination, unless they're white'.
 
It is literally one of the biggest talking points in the white nationalist movements. 'Everyone has a right to ethnic self-determination, unless they're white'.

Right, which I don’t get reclaiming self-determination by race. By culture and traditions would make more sense to me.
 
There is nothing to be conflicted about. If they deserve an ethno-supremacist nation, then so do the neo-Nazis. Don't see the big difference.

Well, 6 million white nationalists weren't put to death because they were white nationalists seems like a difference. But, that won't cut it. Zionism did not begin as a response to the Holocaust, and I can't claim the Holocaust provided moral justification for the creation of Israel, as redress for genocide. So I'm right back where you put me. As just another hypocrite.
 
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