Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Zombie]

The Washington Post is reporting Monday night, that Donald Trump Jr's original statement as to the subject matter of the June 6, 2016 meeting with the Russian lawyer and others, and which was misleading, was in fact dictated by President Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.ac558ca3a431

"On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month, President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril.

The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.

But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed.

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.”

The claims were later shown to be misleading."

Now why would Trump go and do something like that?

Consciousness of guilt anyone?

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[Red]

Let me be perfectly clear. Red made a comment in a PM to me that he now laboriously denies. I hope he's changed in his heart. I hope some others change a bit too. Even Trump.

Sorry, babe, just noticed this comment now. I can only remember one PM exchange with you, in which I stated my belief that you and I would be enemies on either side of what seemed to be a developing civil war. I remember that much, and I think I remember saying no reply necessary on your part, and I honestly don't remember anything else, or whether you replied or not. You would have to spell it out, I no longer have that PM. Since I denied in this thread suggesting extra-Constitutional methods for removing Trump, and denied saying Trump should be shot, then I'm going to deduce you're saying I said one of those two things? I can't believe I would wish the man shot, since I don't. But if you have proof, I won't run from it. I can say a lot of things in anger, but you might as well spell it out if you wish.

 

[Red]

babe is free to post whatever PM I sent him. It might be close to 2 years old by now, and I don't have a copy. But, babe, if it bothers you that much, just spell it out because I only remember what I wrote in my last comment here.

I think it should be clear by now that Americans are sharply divided, and Trump is a fulcrum around which that division is pivoting. I don't really believe being angry at Trump is at all uncalled for, or at all out of line. Even if you call it hate-mongering, babe. I believe the man is damaging my country, damaging our democracy, demeaning the office of the Presidency, displaying no class, etc., etc. babe, don't you realize that millions of Americans feel this way? You mentioned once that people on my side of this divide would basically be swept aside. In so many words. But we are not going anywhere. And, as I have stated more then once, Trump's supporters are not going anywhere either. Nobody on either side is being swept away.

If I am guilty of hate-mongering, and hate-mongering on the President is, as you claim, un-American, then what is President Trump guilty of, when, for years he led the "Obama was not born in the United States" crap? Did that not help generate hatred of President Obama? A significant % of Republicans still believe Obama is a native born Kenyan, and was therefore an illegitimate President. Can that not be called hate-mongering of a President? If I am un-American merely for expressing anger toward Trump, what is Trump guilty of in view of promoting the lie about Obama that he promoted more then anyone?

You know, on more then one occasion, in more then one Trump thread, I have pointed out that we are screwing ourselves by partisanship that has reached toxic levels. But you are free to promote your love and admiration of Trump. Why am I not free to point out how dangerous I feel he is? I understand that it is next to impossible at the moment for liberals and conservatives to communicate. I even started a thread, long ago now, at Joe Bagadonuts' suggestion, on the differences between conservatives and liberals and the scientific studies pointing out actual physical differences in the brains of the two sides. Differences in the psychology of the two sides. I at least try to understand this is the case, and acknowledge that the side opposite my own exists and I find it very difficult to understand. Yet, you do not seem to understand that, and have actually spoken of the side you disagree with being swept aside.

Can you not see that one of Trump's biggest mistakes is that he never talks to any Americans other then his avid followers? It is as if he is the head of a cult, rather then a President for all Americans. Can you not st least understand that?

 

[Zombie]

Getting ahead of the story. Good strategy Red

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[Harambe]

The Washington Post is reporting Monday night, that Donald Trump Jr's original statement as to the subject matter of the June 6, 2016 meeting with the Russian lawyer and others, and which was misleading, was in fact dictated by President Trump:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...eb7d3a2d304_story.html?utm_term=.ac558ca3a431

"On the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit in Germany last month, President Trump’s advisers discussed how to respond to a new revelation that Trump’s oldest son had met with a Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign — a disclosure the advisers knew carried political and potentially legal peril.

The strategy, the advisers agreed, should be for Donald Trump Jr. to release a statement to get ahead of the story. They wanted to be truthful, so their account couldn’t be repudiated later if the full details emerged.

But within hours, at the president’s direction, the plan changed.

Flying home from Germany on July 8 aboard Air Force One, Trump personally dictated a statement in which Trump Jr. said that he and the Russian lawyer had “primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children” when they met in June 2016, according to multiple people with knowledge of the deliberations. The statement, issued to the New York Times as it prepared an article, emphasized that the subject of the meeting was “not a campaign issue at the time.”

The claims were later shown to be misleading."

Ok tools, if it's still nothing, why would he personally dictate an undeniably misleading statement for his son to read?

Gimme something solid here. I know "something solid" is not in your arsenal, so maybe just something new?

Put us in Donnie's head.

 

[Red]

Look, I PM'd you about a member who blew off about wanting to shoot Trump. You said nothing in reply. Now he's back with a new game. Being oh so PC about how Trump doesn't care how cops treat murderers like MS 13 gangbangers.

Trump has no experience in police work and probably doesn't submit his offhand remarks to professional political speech massagers. OK, he talks like an idiot. He lives in a rhetorical bubble playing on the immediate moment for whatever it's worth, with little good judgment.

Me too.

And so does the ex-CIA director Brennan whose comment I linked above.

And so do you when you quote the witch-hunt media critics of Trump and sorta imply stuff about how Trump needs to be impeached or otherwise removed from office.

Let me be perfectly clear. Red made a comment in a PM to me that he now laboriously denies. I hope he's changed in his heart. I hope some others change a bit too. Even Trump.

When Brennan suggested Trump should be removed from office by political insiders and government officials effectively depriving him of all chain of command.... that is not consistent with the Constitution. Revolution and assassination are not constitutional methods for removal either.

I like free speech.... some.... but where rabid hate can't be countered because the little groupies are all in sync... it's just sorta toxic.

I consider you to be the principal responsible party.

During the campaign, Trump was asked if he would support Hillary if she won. He hedged. I hoped he meant to just reserve some right to request some recounts. The media made it out he was going to overthrow the government by force, mobilizing the NRA or whatever.

I think the rhetoric from the swampthings/media is way outta bounds.

ya'll oughtta try to work with Trump, who knows, maybe he'll make some good deals with ya.

OK, babe, re-reading this I see I apparently said something to you about shooting Trump. Assuming I said that, it's very likely I was trying to say something that I believed would piss you off. I know I don't want to shoot him, and I don't want to get up some morning and read that he's been shot. But I can see myself trying to piss you off and saying something that I felt would do the trick. I have had some angry exchanges with you here. But I've also wracked my brain trying to understand where you are coming from. So, my attitude toward you has changed over time. But look, if you think I said something to you in a PM that warrants banning me, well, go for it. I'm an adult. I'll take responsibility for my words and actions. I honestly do not remember. There was no "laborious" effort on my part to deny the truth, if what you are saying is true. I don't remember saying anything like that, but, as I said, I can wish a lot of bad things when I'm pissed to the hilt. So, if you want to spell it out exactly, embarrass me, get me banned, I'm fine with that. I think I remember saying to you that we would meet on the battlefield some day. Did I not? I'm trying to remember here. This was early on in what became, for me, and people like me, a national nightmare. I don't really want to meet you on a literal battlefield, of course. And I really would like to find a way past the divisiveness parylizing this country. But feel free to hate me to your heart's content.

 

[Red]

I think there are few challenges more difficult then understanding clearly the times one is living through while you are actually living it. Like trying to see your own culture from outside your culture. It's not easy. I am always looking for points of view that help in that respect. With that in mind, I thought this article in The Guardian went a long way in helping me understand these times in America...

Is the American Republic Built to Withstand a Makevolent President?:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ublic-built-to-withstand-malevolent-president

"However, what the madness, abnormality or whatever you want to call it emanating from the White House does draw attention to is the real problem in American politics – the Republicans are no longer a political party but a political faction, a much more dangerous thing.

The danger of factions was recognised at the foundation of the United States. In The Federalist Number 10, a highly influential essay on political theory published in 1787, James Madison defined faction as “a number of citizens, whether amounting to a minority or majority of the whole, who are united and actuated by some common impulse of passion, or of interest, adverse to the rights of other citizens, or to the permanent and aggregate interests of the community”.

Madison understood the most dangerous thing that can happen in a society is for a group and its political representatives to act as if their view alone represents the nation. This leads them to think that they alone are the nation and the views of those who disagree with them not worthy of consideration.

Republican factionalism has led their elected representatives in Congress to upend existing constitutional customs as thoroughly as Trump has destroyed the existing norms of presidential conduct. They have defamed the design of Madison and Thomas Jefferson by refusing to co-operate with the Democrats in any meaningful way. In fact, the idea of a pluralist society is anathema to them and they have been trying to crush it for decades.

The design of the Founders balanced the inevitable competing points of view that would grow in a society where people were free to follow different religions and debate ideas openly. It was for a society that encompassed the competing world views of urban dwellers and farmers. Without respect for these rules the system cannot work.

The result is that the US has, over the past quarter of a century, become ungovernable at the national level. Sadly, Madison, having identified the threat in the 18th century “that either a minority or a majority” might become a faction, was unable to think of a solution to the problem that might work in the 21st. The minority in the country – the Republican faction – is now the majority in both houses of Congress and in the state governments. It holds the White House, although neither of the last two Republican presidents gained office while winning a majority of the popular vote.

 

[Harambe]

OK, babe, re-reading this I see I apparently said something to you about shooting Trump. Assuming I said that, it's very likely I was trying to say something that I believed would piss you off. I know I don't want to shoot him, and I don't want to get up some morning and read that he's been shot. But I can see myself trying to piss you off and saying something that I felt would do the trick. I have had some angry exchanges with you here. But I've also wracked my brain trying to understand where you are coming from. So, my attitude toward you has changed over time. But look, if you think I said something to you in a PM that warrants banning me, well, go for it. I'm an adult. I'll take responsibility for my words and actions. I honestly do not remember. There was no "laborious" effort on my part to deny the truth, if what you are saying is true. I don't remember saying anything like that, but, as I said, I can wish a lot of bad things when I'm pissed to the hilt. So, if you want to spell it out exactly, embarrass me, get me banned, I'm fine with that. I think I remember saying to you that we would meet on the battlefield some day. Did I not? I'm trying to remember here. This was early on in what became, for me, and people like me, a national nightmare. I don't really want to meet you on a literal battlefield, of course. And I really would like to find a way past the divisiveness parylizing this country. But feel free to hate me to your heart's content.

Guys... this is weak.

I want to [edited out].

I think that'll get Red off the hook.

 

[Red]

Ok tools, if it's still nothing, why would he personally dictate an undeniably misleading statement for his son to read?

Gimme something solid here. I know "something solid" is not in your arsenal, so maybe just something new?

Put us in Donnie's head.

I can't. Mueller's investigation is likely to go on for a long time. I think a leak of this sort has to have come from people on that flight home from Europe, and that in itself is interesting.

 

[Red]

Guys... this is weak.

I want to shoot Donald Trump. I don't want him to die, I want him to suffer, so probably somewhere meaty, like his bulbous orange buttox.

I want to [edited out].

Lol.

 

[Boris]

babe is free to post whatever PM I sent him. It might be close to 2 years old by now, and I don't have a copy. But, babe, if it bothers you that much, just spell it out because I only remember what I wrote in my last comment here.

I think it should be clear by now that Americans are sharply divided, and Trump is a fulcrum around which that division is pivoting. I don't really believe being angry at Trump is at all uncalled for, or at all out of line. Even if you call it hate-mongering, babe. I believe the man is damaging my country, damaging our democracy, demeaning the office of the Presidency, displaying no class, etc., etc. babe, don't you realize that millions of Americans feel this way? You mentioned once that people on my side of this divide would basically be swept aside. In so many words. But we are not going anywhere. And, as I have stated more then once, Trump's supporters are not going anywhere either. Nobody on either side is being swept away.

If I am guilty of hate-mongering, and hate-mongering on the President is, as you claim, un-American, then what is President Trump guilty of, when, for years he led the "Obama was not born in the United States" crap? Did that not help generate hatred of President Obama? A significant % of Republicans still believe Obama is a native born Kenyan, and was therefore an illegitimate President. Can that not be called hate-mongering of a President? If I am un-American merely for expressing anger toward Trump, what is Trump guilty of in view of promoting the lie about Obama that he promoted more then anyone?

You know, on more then one occasion, in more then one Trump thread, I have pointed out that we are screwing ourselves by partisanship that has reached toxic levels. But you are free to promote your love and admiration of Trump. Why am I not free to point out how dangerous I feel he is? I understand that it is next to impossible at the moment for liberals and conservatives to communicate. I even started a thread, long ago now, at Joe Bagadonuts' suggestion, on the differences between conservatives and liberals and the scientific studies pointing out actual physical differences in the brains of the two sides. Differences in the psychology of the two sides. I at least try to understand this is the case, and acknowledge that the side opposite my own exists and I find it very difficult to understand. Yet, you do not seem to understand that, and have actually spoken of the side you disagree with being swept aside.

Can you not see that one of Trump's biggest mistakes is that he never talks to any Americans other then his avid followers? It is as if he is the head of a cult, rather then a President for all Americans. Can you not st least understand that?

Hell mate after readin this I'm gonna have a nother glass of sake an make it Double yer honor. By gosh if yah caint git along jest shut the hell up. Cheers mate.

 

[Red]

Look, I PM'd you about a member who blew off about wanting to shoot Trump. You said nothing in reply. Now he's back with a new game. Being oh so PC about how Trump doesn't care how cops treat murderers like MS 13 gangbangers.

Trump has no experience in police work and probably doesn't submit his offhand remarks to professional political speech massagers. OK, he talks like an idiot. He lives in a rhetorical bubble playing on the immediate moment for whatever it's worth, with little good

I want to clarify something here. This was not a "new game" on my part, babe. Police departments from coast to coast criticized Trump's remarks to the Long Island police officers. Including the International Association of Chiefs of Police. You talk like I was personally responsible for putting them all up to it. Why blame me? Why don't you get in touch with every police department involved and complain to them? Tell it to them, why don't you...

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/29/politics/trump-police-remarks-reaction/index.html