Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Harambe]

Trump has a lot in common with Putin. First and most importantly, he puts his country first. I find Putin an interesting study. His KGB gig was as a diplomat in Germany. He speaks German and was very much a Western sort of thinker. If he uses any communist rhetoric at all, it is the lowest kind of ideological common denominator stuff that is hardly different from British socialism, speaking to the common needs of common people. Probably has not read Karl Marx or ever really been a communist.

Putin is about as communist as Trump is conservative, in ideological terms. They are both more practical and concerned with results than ideas.

I think Trump and Putin can get along pretty good. I think Russia is a more important ally than Great Britain.

The United States would be smart to treat Russia and China as allies and leave our sordid little romance with Britain in the closet.....

The British started WWI and WWII so far as I'm concerned, with stupid geopolitical gamesmanship, and are the main backers of militarism and further geopolitical manipulations today that could start another great war.

The worst thing I can say about Hillary or Obama is that they were/are British puppets, as are our major media TrumpDumpsters.

The hate Russia panic should be dumped. The bill should not have been passed. The people in both parties who voted for it are all just unthinking ignoramuses so far as world geopolitics is concerned, and have been duped by British influences along many lines.

Or... The Russians have made him so rich over the years he wants to expatriate.

 

[Deleted member 365]

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/trump-latest/index.html

He just signed the bill. [MENTION=14]colton[/MENTION] [MENTION=365]The Thriller[/MENTION]

Saw it today.

I also saw how in his statement as he signed the sanctions he insulted congress and blamed them for setting relations between us and Russia back.

Unbelievable.

 

[fishonjazz]

While Utah's population and demographics would lead one to believe that in any given place there would be a good representation of conservatives it has been my experience that they prefer the echo chamber to an open debate.

Trump supporters even more than your average conservative due to Trump's direct appeal to conspiracy theorists and those that believe the "main stream media" is in whole controlled by some shadowy enterprise to provide "fake news" to shape our world view according to their fabricated reality.

What use would a Trump supporter have in engaging George Soros's paid propaganda agents on a basketball fan site?

Babe, you're implying that many, if not most, of the vehement anti-Trump discussion is directed top-down and paid for by liberal power brokers. It is beyond silly. You, yes YOU, need to pull you ****ing head out of the sand and face the reality that Trump pisses people off all by himself.

Let's see, he is anti-immigration, anti-immigrant. That is likely to piss people off. Even the white folks who many anti-immigrant white folks think their world view benefits. Many of us (white folks) have deep connections to immigrants in one way or another. Connections, relationships that are stronger and that matter to us more than our connection to being "white."

He mocks a disabled reporter. That's plain offensive to many many people. It also shows a low character and poor judgement.

He displays misogynistic attitudes in almost everything he does. Half the country is women, most of the other half have women in our lives we care about more than we care about political parties and Trump.

He does not seem to be running a competent White House. As someone elected on his ability to get things done and make good deals he is failing here the most. Even someone who supported him based on his assumed strengths in these areas has to be getting a little weary. For those of us who look upon his brand of bluster and bravado with keen suspicion, our assumptions as to his actual ability to do business are being further confirmed every day. He is a fake! I mean, one could simply look at 40 years of investment that substantially unperformed the market and have a good notion that he isn't actually a very smart business person.

His self contradiction is a major red flag. How can one trust a person who contradicts himself as much as Trump does? We don't need the media to lie about what Trump says and does. We just need to listen to him one day and then listen to him the next. It is mathematically impossible that he's telling the truth most of the time when he changes his story as often as he does. Many of us don't like dishonest people.

For those of us who take a good deal of pride in our country it is hard to support a person who is damaging our closest relationships with our nations allies and harder still to watch the U.S. become a laughingstock. The U.S. is in just about as bad of shape as I've seen in my lifetime. I feel FAR less secure from foreign threats since Trump has taken office. I hold that against Trump in a deep and personal way. I care about the people serving in our military and I think he is putting them at unnecessary risk due to his diplomatic incompetence.

Many of us have a connection, one way or another, to the LGBTQ community. When our LGBTQ friends and family are attacked, the way Trump is attacking them, we rally to their side. We will not stand by and watch our friends and family be bullied, insulted and made to be second-class citizens. People in the LGBTQ community are already at an elevated risk of being assaulted and killed. Having the President of the United States diminish their status further, emboldening their adversaries, is inexcusable.

For those in the environmental movement this administration is actively attempting to dismantle hard-fought protections and regulations. Trump is making no friends in the environmental community.

For minorities in the U.S. who face additional hurdles to success, Trump has begun trying to re-erect hurdles that it has taken generations of sacrifice to remove. Trump is no friend to minorities.

Many trump supporters cry stupid little snowflake tears about how unfair everyone is being to Trump. It's pretty ****ing simple. If you don't want to be attacked so much don't make so many enemies. It's too late for Trump. He thought he could appeal to low and middle class white people and that would be that. Well, many of us have connections outside of our "white bubble" and we are informed by those relationships. We see what Trump is doing to people and we don't like it.

I don't need to be paid to feel this way. I hate Trump for free.

I applaud your effort

 

[Red]

Saw it today.

I also saw how in his statement as he signed the sanctions he insulted congress and blamed them for setting relations between us and Russia back.

Unbelievable.

He went so far as to call sections of the bill "unconstitutional".

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/president-trump-signs-russia-sanctions-bill/story?id=48985465

Apparently because he sees any limitation on Executive branch power as unconstitutional. In general, the modern era has seen an expansion of Executive branch power at the expense of the Legislative branch. But, of course, the authoritarian temperament of Trump is seen as one of his most worriesome traits, and his spin shows a lack of understanding where the Constitution is concerned:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/trump-russia-sanctions/index.html

 

[Red]

I don't hate you. I hardly even really "hate" the ideas I oppose or try to discredit or supplant in a discussion.

I considered your PM a sort of announcement that you'd signed up with a George Soros political activism group to deconstruct America. I don't remember it much better than you do.

I welcome a more stable, long-term debate on things in more moderate rhetorical terms.

We've triggered each other at times. Does not have to be that way. To some degree, it's one of the fundamental pitfalls of virtual communication vs. sitting around shooting the breeze in person. In reality, there are lots of people here with passionate opinions. There has never been a moment like this in this nation's history. Passionate positions are to be expected.

 

[Red]

Why would Trump work with Fox News to create a fake news story about Seth Rich's death to try and distract from the Russian investigation?

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/01/54078...s-and-trump-supporter-created-fake-news-story

It's really a pisser that one of the fundamental offensive strategies of Trump and his supporters is to label the adversarial press(which in a democracy I should think is preferable to a compliant press, in fulfilling a role as the "watchdog" of democracy) as fake news, and to then use fake news themselves to drive that very narrative. And crafting that alternative universe and "hypnotizing" millions with it, is, at least in my eyes, fundamentally irresponsible to the health of the body politic. I think it's one of the deliberate actions by Trump that I most resent, as one cannot really expect to open people's eyes once these false narratives are implanted, so to speak. It's a chief reason why it will be extremely difficult to reconcile the opposing sides in the conflict plaguing us.

I read somewhere that one pundit asked the question "does it matter that Trump lies?" It got me to thinking.

A recurring strategy is to take the basic facts and infuse them with positive superlatives. Examples here include largest crowd, and greatest speech. Or to take known facts and add fictional elements that cast Trump in a more positive light. An example of this is his claim that the Boy Scout leader told him his speech was the "greatest ever given". The known fact is that he delivered that speech. The Boy Scout leader calling him to praise him is the fictional element. This allows Trump to put the best spin on his standing in any situation or event.

He fictionalizes his life when it will elevate his standing.

This seems like odd behavior, whether it's consciously realized BS in service to the narrative of his life, his narrative in its self stated form, or whether he actually believes it some of the times. Either way, the public, both press and citizens, are presented with either a somewhat fictionalized or a greater fictionalized narrative of his life and actions, and accomplishments.

Somewhat or to a greater degree fictionalized by either exaggerating the facts or by inventing elements that never happened.

There also is often no attention or little attention paid to consistency. The stated facts, whether true or invented, can change day to day.

He is thus able to fictionalize his life on the fly, so to speak.

Who can say whether this is a personality disorder, or a strategy for eluding either "capture" in relation to any investigations, or, in the case of simply casting positive spin, presented in the interests of reinforcing allegiance by his core followers? It may be some of both. A personality disorder and a strategy for maintaining control of his life's narrative and support by his followers.

Following from all this, we should expect he and his allies to be the principle purveyors of the very fake news he and they are so fond of placing as a label on media outlets that do not accept his fictionalized narratives at face value or who are actively trying to undermine those narratives.

 

[Zombie]

Trump has a lot in common with Putin. First and most importantly, he puts his country first. I find Putin an interesting study. His KGB gig was as a diplomat in Germany. He speaks German and was very much a Western sort of thinker. If he uses any communist rhetoric at all, it is the lowest kind of ideological common denominator stuff that is hardly different from British socialism, speaking to the common needs of common people. Probably has not read Karl Marx or ever really been a communist.

Putin is about as communist as Trump is conservative, in ideological terms. They are both more practical and concerned with results than ideas.

I think Trump and Putin can get along pretty good. I think Russia is a more important ally than Great Britain.

The United States would be smart to treat Russia and China as allies and leave our sordid little romance with Britain in the closet.....

The British started WWI and WWII so far as I'm concerned, with stupid geopolitical gamesmanship, and are the main backers of militarism and further geopolitical manipulations today that could start another great war.

The worst thing I can say about Hillary or Obama is that they were/are British puppets, as are our major media TrumpDumpsters.

The hate Russia panic should be dumped. The bill should not have been passed. The people in both parties who voted for it are all just unthinking ignoramuses so far as world geopolitics is concerned, and have been duped by British influences along many lines.

Holy. Cow. There is a lot to unpack here. Great Britain is to blame for WW2?!

We should abandon our most special of relationships so we can be closer to Russia?

Trump loves his country?



What???

Also bonus points for a random rant about communism. I don't think many people are accusing Putin of being a communist. A kleptocrat and an oligarch sure.
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[babe]

Saw it today.

I also saw how in his statement as he signed the sanctions he insulted congress and blamed them for setting relations between us and Russia back.

Unbelievable.

Believable, and factual.

I know the Machiavellian sort of geopolitical manipulations the Brits are famous for get no coverage in our media or Hollywood or classrooms. Leverage is vital to the Brits, it's their only tool, really.

I suggest a couple of old movies for the initiated. "Eagle in a Cage" and Remains of the Day".

In the first the Brit foreign minister is trying to set up Napoleon for another round of military exploits. He went to St. Helena to negotiate the deal. He says he doesn't care how many people get killed, as long as they aren't British. He drops his plan only when Napoleon's Irish Doctor poison Napoleon and Napoleon falls off his horse. . .

The second is Brit Elite apologetics for helping Hitler build his war machine.

I should bot expect to educate Bullet or red or Colton overnight. Maybe someday they'll see the light.

 

[babe]

I applaud your effort

And so do I.

I'm sorry I have to work sometimes. I will be thinking about how to respond point by point.

 

[babe]

G@Zombie

Sure calling the US Congress as a whole ignoramuses and dupes might look like a stretch, but small compared to other allegations I have made.

I don't theorize a singular evil manipulator, but effective multiple actors acting within larger cultural situations where common interests dictate stupidity.

 

[Stoked]

Saw it today.

I also saw how in his statement as he signed the sanctions he insulted congress and blamed them for setting relations between us and Russia back.

Unbelievable.

[MENTION=365]The Thriller[/MENTION], in my defense that was reported after my post. When I posted this it was only that he signed it.

 

[Harambe]

Holy. Cow. There is a lot to unpack here. Great Britain is to blame for WW2?!

We should abandon our most special of relationships so we can be closer to Russia?

Trump loves his country?



What???

Also bonus points for a random rant about communism. I don't think many people are accusing Putin of being a communist. A kleptocrat and an oligarch sure.
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Over the last six months, Babe has taken over as the undisputed king of tinfoil.

Thriller bro, I know it's a tough pill to swallow, but you're in a distant 2nd place right now.