Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Joe Bagadonuts]

How do you know we weren't trying to contain it previously?

Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?

 

[Ron Mexico]

well they pick and choose.

they call Obama scandal free, and only picked on his "soo called scucesses" and his real successes. and never ever ever dared mention the negativity.


with trump it is the opposite!
you do know he is doing good things right?

Obama got criticised all the time by the media. Probably less than Trump has been, but Trump has also done more to be criticised about regardless of how you feel about what he is doing. The number of executive orders, late night tweets, press statements and arguments with media and others combined with being under FBI investigation is more things to have an opinion about. It's the same reason Obama got more coverage more negative stories than Bush did in the same amount of time the beginning.

 

[Deleted member 365]

First, thanks for the neg rep. Coming from you it's a compliment. Second, I'm not a trumpetier. I didn't vote for him and I do not like him (even though I did prefer him to Clinton). The ridiculous behavior and logic of his haters deserves to be pointed out, though. And third, I did answer your questions. Too bad that you can't handle the answers.

First of all, it's not a compliment. Secondly, you didn't answer my questions. You even admitted that you couldn't remember them and were too lazy to actually go back and read them. Thirdly, look at this thread. Literally everyone is against you. So just like Trump, "you're right. Everyone else is wrong. It's a witch hunt!"

 

[Ron Mexico]

Why do people blame the media for reporting about the FBI investigations? Obviously the FBI had enough real evidence to begin their investigations to start with.

Wether or not Trump or his cabinet are guilty of something will be discovered when the investigation is over. Just like they did with Clinton. She was not guilty but she was careless with information. If I had to guess this is how the investigation into Trump ends. Not guilty but handled it poorly. As far as his cabinet goes, I have no idea one way or the other. There is not enough information available to is the public about this to make a guess. Obviously it looks suspicious for Trump for a few reasons but Russia was not only trying to help Trump win but they also were trying to help Bernie win.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

First of all, it's not a compliment. Secondly, you didn't answer my questions. You even admitted that you couldn't remember them and were too lazy to actually go back and read them. Thirdly, look at this thread. Literally everyone is against you. So just like Trump, "you're right. Everyone else is wrong. It's a witch hunt!"

I did answer your questions. You chose to ignore them.

Regarding your second comment, I feel like I've been in a discussion with several other posters and an argument with you. Some people, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not, have agreed with me on several topics. I'm not the least bit surprised that different people see different things differently.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?

Yes there was media coverage and am uproar when we first heard of hacking happening in Arizona at their polling office before the election happened.

Money from donors with foreign ties is not what the uproar is about with Trump or anyone else. That is a false comparison. What Russia did was far more than donating money to a campaign. Although they investigations point to them trying to help Trump win they also show they tried to help Bernie win. Those are issues we on all sides should be against but I expect our national security to look into that and try and stop that like they do every election.

If Trump or any associates collaborated​ with Russia on those things we have a huge issue. There was enough proof to warrant an investigation by the FBI so that is alarming. But the investigation may yield nothing so we shouldn't assume Trump or any associates are guilty until the investigation is over.

The latest investigation, which is the first into Trump directly, is the one he seems most likely guilty of. From his public statements he seemed like he was impeding the investigation but there might be other explanations or information unknown.

 

[fishonjazz]

Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?

I do think there could be degrees of influence? Do you not believe in that possibility? Is it possible that what did russia was worse and more direct? Could that be possible?



Would you think giving money to a politician would be the same thing as assassinating a politician as a hypothetical example? Would you think one worse than the other?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections? Clinton took a ton of Chinese money. Did they intend for that to influence the election or did they just want to get rid of it? Do you think they wanted anything in return?

You're moving the goalposts in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Creating strawmen of Clintons and Chinese money doesn't strengthen your argument.

It's interesting how those defending Trump must always bring up Clinton in some way shape or form. It has become comical.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

I do think there could be degrees of influence? Do you not believe in that possibility? Is it possible that what did russia was worse and more direct? Could that be possible?



Would you think giving money to a politician would be the same thing as assassinating a politician as a hypothetical example? Would you think one worse than the other?

No, there are definitely degrees.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

You're moving the goalposts in a desperate attempt to change the subject. Creating strawmen of Clintons and Chinese money doesn't strengthen your argument.

It's interesting how those defending Trump must always bring up Clinton in some way shape or form. It has become comical.

Oh brother.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Meddle? The US has been behind coups all over the world, murdered democratically elected leaders, sponsored death squads, created al-Qaeda and had a large hand in removing a reforming Labour government in my country because they threatened American mining interests. And then lecture the world about free and fair elections! **** off! If Americans are stupid enough to vote for a traitor and a pawn of the Russians they deserve him!

rant over...

Lol. Nice rant dude. !

 

[Red]

Do you recall the media frenzy over foreign governments involvement in our elections prior to Trump's victory? I don't either. Do you think it was because foreign governments weren't trying to influence our elections?

I certainly remember. By last Summer, plenty of articles began to appear in the media. I created a folder just on that subject, started a thread here in July, 2016. Stated it would be the most important story to emerge from the 2016 election.

Check the dates on any of these articles. I have at least 25 saved from the Summer and Fall of 2016, all pre-election. The media went nuts the time Trump stood in front of the cameras and invited the Russians to publish more Clinton emails.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...b0b0ded0253_story.html?utm_term=.b1110858a239

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/how-vulnerable-to-hacking-is-the-us-election-cyber-infrastructure-2/

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a49791/russian-dnc-emails-hacked/?src=socialflowTW

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...lectronic-voting-machines-20160801-story.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...arget-voting-machines/?utm_term=.af1554644606

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-democrats-investigation-exc-idUSKCN1092HK

And, as far as it not happening at all, on the contrary, it was worse then we thought, as this Bloomberg article pointed out just a few days ago. Involving hacks in 39 states:

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...h-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

And the top secret NSA document recently leaked:

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05...ian-hacking-effort-days-before-2016-election/