Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Stoked]

Even if Trump's description of African nations, Haiti, etc. was accurate, that does not mean for one second that immigrants from those nations are "undesirables". That's my description, not specifically his, but by saying get people from Haiti, for instance, "outta here", that is what Mr. Trump seems to have implied. Throughout our history, people have emigrated to the United States in search of a better life. Is there really something wrong with that now? I mean, that was part of "the promise of America". Other then Native Americans, we are each of us descended from immigrants who arrived at some time in the past. And some were escaping conditions that left something to be desired. Which is what the words on the Statue of Liberty are all about, are they not? There is a reason so many Americans feel Mr. Trump does not represent the values that have long been associated with our nation.

This is exactly how I read this as well.

Institutionally these countries are challenged and sometimes failing. Some might be holes depending on who you ask. I can deal with that part. But that has little to no bearing on the quality and potential of people that could be immigrating from these places.

Not to mention it is a stupid comment that does nothing but cause problems and harm Americas standing an image.

 

[franklin]

Even if Trump's description of African nations, Haiti, etc. was accurate, that does not mean for one second that immigrants from those nations are "undesirables". That's my description, not specifically his, but by saying get people from Haiti, for instance, "outta here", that is what Mr. Trump seems to have implied. Throughout our history, people have emigrated to the United States in search of a better life. Is there really something wrong with that now? I mean, that was part of "the promise of America". Other then Native Americans, we are each of us descended from immigrants who arrived at some time in the past. And some were escaping conditions that left something to be desired. Which is what the words on the Statue of Liberty are all about, are they not? There is a reason so many Americans feel Mr. Trump does not represent the values that have long been associated with our nation.

I recently read a FB re-post from someone claiming to come from Haiti, basically saying yes I do come from a ******** compared to US standards, but how does that give you the right to judge me personally.

This Trump tweet is as deplorable as any of his others. I wish the leftist ideologues and media would quit making a fuss about nothing so I could get behind them in hating Trump. It's not fun being stuck in the middle (limbo).

 

[DutchJazzer]

Bosnia Herzegovina in the 90's classifies as a ********, thye cleaned up their act a bit

 

[Red]

I recently read a FB re-post from someone claiming to come from Haiti, basically saying yes I do come from a ******** compared to US standards, but how does that give you the right to judge me personally.

This Trump tweet is as deplorable as any of his others. I wish the leftist ideologues and media would quit making a fuss about nothing so I could get behind them in hating Trump. It's not fun being stuck in the middle (limbo).

The Right has to get over Trump. The Left has to get over themselves.

The Left mostly reacts to Trump as an affront on the nation's honor. Like he's so bad, he dishonors the country. So a lot of the dissent is expressed as outrage.

But it's also based on alarm at policy decisions that overtly promote fossil fuel interests over the science the remainder of civilization on the planet supports. And you can go down the line in cabinet positions, and find reactionary elements in control. The anti-science element of Trumpism is bound to stun and alarm the Left.

And Trump is seen as representing reactionary responses to culture change. Hence he reflects racial resentment and espouses an anti immigrant attitude that's cropped up repeatedly in our history.

In an earlier time, Donald Trump would have been the candidate of the Know Nothing Party:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...society-launched-american-nativism-180961915/

The outrage can be overbearing and the attack on Trump is relentless. He won the election, and the Left would overturn it.

I think Biden put it best: "it's a battle for the soul of America". I think those qualities of Trump and that portion of the base that resembles the Know Nothing Party emotive stance is not something that reflects the best in us. And the Left sees Trump as being on the wrong side of that battle.

But I can understand the Right not wanting constant moralizing. And it's problematic to paint Trump as uber repulsive without expecting the Right to see this as putting them in the same boat. Well meaning, but overbearing, many on the Right can only conclude that the Left and "liberalism is a mental disorder", which is probably the most common one line insult hurled by the Trump Right.

If we stay at the point where the only thing of value, and the only thing that brings pleasure, is partisan victories, then we really do all lose.

If we can somehow subtract partisanship of both stripes and agree on expecting a man or woman of high character to sit in the Oval Office, the Left can get off its high horse, and the Right can recognize the failings inherent in promoting the rebirth of the Know Nothing's in the 21st century. Eventually, deplorable behavior and statements should unite people in the common cause of correcting that situation.

Without question, the next President has to have the appearance of being a President for all Americans. The failing all along for Trump is that he only talks to the Know Nothing elements of his base. We should be able to agree on the need to reject reactionary Know Nothings as reflecting our shared values as a nation. I would hope.

 

[Stoked]

The Right has to get over Trump. The Left has to get over themselves.

The Left mostly reacts to Trump as an affront on the nation's honor. Like he's so bad, he dishonors the country. So a lot of the dissent is expressed as outrage.

But it's also based on alarm at policy decisions that overtly promote fossil fuel interests over the science the remainder of civilization on the planet supports. And you can go down the line in cabinet positions, and find reactionary elements in control. The anti-science element of Trumpism is bound to stun and alarm the Left.

And Trump is seen as representing reactionary responses to culture change. Hence he reflects racial resentment and espouses an anti immigrant attitude that's cropped up repeatedly in our history.

In an earlier time, Donald Trump would have been the candidate of the Know Nothing Party:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hist...society-launched-american-nativism-180961915/

The outrage can be overbearing and the attack on Trump is relentless. He won the election, and the Left would overturn it.

I think Biden put it best: "it's a battle for the soul of America". I think those qualities of Trump and that portion of the base that resembles the Know Nothing Party emotive stance is not something that reflects the best in us. And the Left sees Trump as being on the wrong side of that battle.

But I can understand the Right not wanting constant moralizing. And it's problematic to paint Trump as uber repulsive without expecting the Right to see this as putting them in the same boat. Well meaning, but overbearing, many on the Right can only conclude that the Left and "liberalism is a mental disorder", which is probably the most common one line insult hurled by the Trump Right.

If we stay at the point where the only thing of value, and the only thing that brings pleasure, is partisan victories, then we really do all lose.

If we can somehow subtract partisanship of both stripes and agree on expecting a man or woman of high character to sit in the Oval Office, the Left can get off its high horse, and the Right can recognize the failings inherent in promoting the rebirth of the Know Nothing's in the 21st century. Eventually, deplorable behavior and statements should unite people in the common cause of correcting that situation.

Without question, the next President has to have the appearance of being a President for all Americans. The failing all along for Trump is that he only talks to the Know Nothing elements of his base. We should be able to agree on the need to reject reactionary Know Nothings as reflecting our shared values as a nation. I would hope.

But who could that possibly be? Certainly not anyone from the R and D ranks. America is way to divided along party lines. It would just be more partisan nonsense.

 

[Red]

But who could that possibly be? Certainly not anyone from the R and D ranks. America is way to divided along party lines. It would just be more partisan nonsense.

I do not know. We don't even know if Trump will still be in office. Not saying he absolutely will not be the GOP candidate, but too much can happen between now and 2020, especially as pertains to the Special Council's investigation. But, assuming he does run for a second term, I can really only see him appealing to the Know Nothing portion of his base. One year in office, and he has yet to speak to anyone but the Know Nothing element of his base. He has not even made a token effort to be a President for all Americans. Can he change? I very much doubt it.

So any Democrstic candidate will need to make a broader appeal. And if Americans in general are not by 2020 thirsting for someone who at least gives the appearance of wanting to project a broader appeal, I'd be surprised. But, right now, I can't guess who that might be. But if we decide now that our political parties can never rise above extreme partasinship, well, might as well just hang up on this American experiment altogether.

But there is one big problem, and that is the Know Nothing element of Trump's base. They want the bigoted version of America that Trump has so far provided, and it will be next to impossible to appeal to them as long as Trump himself continues to appeal to their fear and anger. He's a demagogue, ran as one in 2016, and we should expect the same appeal to the baser instincts in people from this President in 2020. Trump is a hateful bigot, and it's our nation's misfortune that he seems to be most comfortable appealing to fear, anger, and bigotry.

 

[Red]

Long before he became a candidate for the Presidency, Donald Trump was associating with, and laundering money for, the Russian mob. Yeah, that's a strong claim, and not one Trump supporters want to hear, and one they certainly will not believe. But, now that the transcript of testimony given by the head of Fusion GPS, to both the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the House Intelligence Committee has been released, that very real possibility is forefront in the news once more. And with absolute certainty, Mueller is examining the same thing, namely, that our President is basically an associate of the Russian mob.

Back in July of 2017, the New Republic took a good look at these associations. It's likely I posted this at that time in this thread, but here's a refresher for anyone interested, given the released testimony of Glenn Simpson, the head of Fusion GPS:

https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate

And, since the House Intelligence Committee just released Simpson's testimony from November, 2017, which included Simpson and Steele's suspicions that crimes were being committed, here is some analysis of Simpson's testimony. We should remember it was Bannon himself who stated Mueller would be taking a good look at money laundering by the Russian mob and Donald Trump.

http://www.businessinsider.com/read...view-with-house-intelligence-committee-2018-1

 

[Stoked]

I do not know. We don't even know if Trump will still be in office. Not saying he absolutely will not be the GOP candidate, but too much can happen between now and 2020, especially as pertains to the Special Council's investigation. But, assuming he does run for a second term, I can really only see him appealing to the Know Nothing portion of his base. One year in office, and he has yet to speak to anyone but the Know Nothing element of his base. He has not even made a token effort to be a President for all Americans. Can he change? I very much doubt it.

So any Democrstic candidate will need to make a broader appeal. And if Americans in general are not by 2020 thirsting for someone who at least gives the appearance of wanting to project a broader appeal, I'd be surprised. But, right now, I can't guess who that might be. But if we decide now that our political parties can never rise above extreme partasinship, well, might as well just hang up on this American experiment altogether.

But there is one big problem, and that is the Know Nothing element of Trump's base. They want the bigoted version of America that Trump has so far provided, and it will be next to impossible to appeal to them as long as Trump himself continues to appeal to their fear and anger. He's a demagogue, ran as one in 2016, and we should expect the same appeal to the baser instincts in people from this President in 2020. Trump is a hateful bigot, and it's our nation's misfortune that he seems to be most comfortable appealing to fear, anger, and bigotry.

I have seen nothing to indicated that the parties can rise above that. Nothing. The bicker and fight and wax overly dramatic over every little detail. "Get Sick And Die", "Fake News", "Not My President"and Birthers are only a few examples that come to mind.

Now, the American people have certainly. Just not the Rs and Ds. IMO the hard left and hard right are ruining America.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Trump will be president until 2024. or some liberal democrat will MURDER him for having lowest black unemployment rate in recorded history. just like they killed lincoln for helping the black man!

racist democrats

 

[DutchJazzer]

CNN uis queit on this "Nothingburger"

if it is a nothingburger why dont the demorats vote for the release

 

[babe]

CNN uis queit on this "Nothingburger"

if it is a nothingburger why dont the demorats vote for the release

Of course out standard apologists for "the way things should be", as pontificated daily from "news" ideologically directed towards the managed world goals, will not talk about this.

That's how you can tell the difference between people who are thinking about stuff, and the pure schills.

 

[Red]

I have seen nothing to indicated that the parties can rise above that. Nothing. The bicker and fight and wax overly dramatic over every little detail. "Get Sick And Die", "Fake News", "Not My President"and Birthers are only a few examples that come to mind.

Now, the American people have certainly. Just not the Rs and Ds. IMO the hard left and hard right are ruining America.

Find someone whom is skilled like no other in the rhetoric of unity, the oratory of unity, and the American people will respond to that, because the majority are sick of partisanship. If it has to be under the umbrella of a third party, well maybe 2020 will be that year. I don't know who that person is at the moment. I don't see the type of leader my imagination alone can conjur at the moment.

Of course, since oratory appeals to the emotive responses in people, a skilled demagogue can also fit that bill, and that is a danger at times like this....