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You have to be careful in separating Fox News segments that are news (relatively unbiased) vs. opinion (strongly biased).

When most people reference Fox News they’re referencing their most watched products, Hannity, Tucker, and Laura. We aren’t referencing Shep Smith. Which, interestingly enough, he’s seen a huge backlash lately over his (honest) reporting of this administration.

That should tell you something about Fox News and it’s viewers when one of its only honest reporters is blasted for telling the news instead of spinning fantasy.
 
We don't all see things through a lens clearly. One of my closest friends is a firm Trump supporter, and he's no moron. A highly intelligent man, in fact. The fact is it is just extraordinarily difficult for the two sides of the political chasm in this country to understand one another. I would much rather work to understand why that is the case, since these two sides are going to continue to exist whether Trump is president or not. I mean, we have antifa members battling far right supporters in armed combat. It's serious, and while I have found it well nigh impossible to engage in respectful dialog with die hard Trump supporters, and have at times lost it myself, I do recognize that the divisiveness in America is extremely unhealthy to our body politic.

I'm not holier then thou. I falter all the time in this present day climate. I would just suggest it never helps.

With all that said, I really thank you for posting this. I have read it and fwd it to several friends to read. And it describes how I have felt, what I have suspected, for awhile now. Ever since reading "Collusion", by The Guardian reporter Luke Harding, which is a close look at Christopher Steele and his dossier, I have suspected that if and when the truth finally emerges, this whole matter will reveal a truly worst case scenario. Just as the article you posted suggests. So thanks for bringing it to my attention.

You should remember the book “Escape from Freedom” (didn’t we talk about this before?) as to why Fox News viewers are seeking a 1950s cultural refuge to their 2018 reality. The requirements of giving civil rights to minorities, respecting women, respecting LGBT, and requiring a college education has thrown many through a loop. In their cultural and/or economic frustration, they’ve given up trying to live in a fact filled reality and have decided to throw away freedom, throw away decency, throw away democratic advancements in hopes of returning their country to the culture that they most reminisce about.

Escape from Freedom relies heavily on the rise of hitler in Germany. In it the author Fromm explains that even if Nazism didn’t benefit the lower class, they felt better about themselves since they were able to beat up minorities (literally and figuratively).

So it’s pretty safe to say that republicans today don’t give a damn about policy. They don’t understand the ins and outs of Obamacare or Trumpcare. But what they do understand is that his rallies beat up on women and minorities. The talking box playing fox teaches them that trump rallies really piss off liberals, women and minorities, and that makes them feel good.
 
The notion that the mainstream media (CBS, NBC, ABC, NYTimes, etc.) are liberal is unreal. They all have an establishment bias.

The notion that CBS, NBC, The NY Times are liberal is hilarious too. When everything to the left of “The New American” is “liberal” then everything is liberal. For those who don’t get that reference, just google “John Birch Society.” Some of the biggest funders of the tea baggers and the GOP have ties to the JBS (Kochs). Even some former prominent Mormon leaders too (Ezra Taft Benson).

Mother Jones is definitely liberal. But CBS, NPR, NY Times? Cmon.

I think many could benefit by visiting other countries and seeing what “liberal” really means. Today in America we have one fascist party and one moderate party. Even in decades past the Democratic Party was far more liberal than today.

So to accuse the DNC as being liberal or to accuse CBS or The NY Times as being liberal, is just laughable.
 
One large group of people still believe in scientists, economists, and our intelligence agency while the other small group for cultural and religious reasons refuse to believe in those trusted institutions and instead rely on the safe confines of Fox News to tell them how to think and what to believe in.

Let's not go overboard here. Liberals are much more likely to be anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, pro-woo, apt to spend generally as opposed to targeted spending on what we know works, and only very recently have more trust in the intelligence agencies. We don't have a rational party versus an irrational party, we have two irrational parties, each of which tends to be on the factual side in some areas.
 
Let's not go overboard here. Liberals are much more likely to be anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, pro-woo, apt to spend generally as opposed to targeted spending on what we know works, and only very recently have more trust in the intelligence agencies. We don't have a rational party versus an irrational party, we have two irrational parties, each of which tends to be on the factual side in some areas.

While there is a general anti-expertise found in both parties, let’s not go with the false equivalence again. A handful of Jenny McArthy and Jim Carey anti-vacinators isn’t the same as an entire political party and it’s followers transforming from believing 80+ percent in man caused climate change with John McCain in 2008 to completely denying man caused climate change in 2016 under Trump, Cruz, etc.

You look at most major issues and you’ll find the GOP is going against the expert opinion.

From health care, to economics, to climate change, to Russia.

Just how much longer can the GOP govern this society given their antagonism to expertise?
 
@One Brow hqce you read “The Death of Expertise” or “The Assault on Intelligence?” Both are fantastic books on this subject. Especially The Death of Expertise which eviscerates our society for its lack of confidence in experts. One example he cites is how thousands of women put their faith in a Hollywood actress’s vaginal cleaning machine (endorsed by zero doctors) over experts’ claims that such a machine could and would cause harm. Lol.

It’s a problem that stems from a society overwhelmed with information (most of it crap from social media) and a society that is becoming increasingly complex.

One of the points he made that were thought provoking, as college education has become more universal it has become devalued. As higher Edu has become more universal, schools are feeling more pressure to become more marketable. How do they do this? By investing in cooler housing, giving out higher grades, making education more accessible, grades have become inflated (professors giving out accurate and lower grades has led to being fired. The most common grade awarded? A grade), and otherwise pandering to spoiled young people. As a result, respect for experts has and value for college education has diminished.

Fascinating read.

But again, both sides are not equal in this. While both sides have issues with experts and expertise, one side is willingly denying science and fact while creating a right wing fantasy to promote their political party at the detriment of the country and planet.

Being anti GMO or Vacinnation isn’t The same as attacking the FBI and declaring a war on the “Deep State” because they’re investigating Trump. Or endorsing trade wars while ignoring economists to own the libs. or denying climate change cuz the poor oil companies are being bullied by a few free huggers.
 
Let's not go overboard here. Liberals are much more likely to be anti-vaccine, anti-GMO, pro-woo, apt to spend generally as opposed to targeted spending on what we know works, and only very recently have more trust in the intelligence agencies. We don't have a rational party versus an irrational party, we have two irrational parties, each of which tends to be on the factual side in some areas.
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damn good post, right there.
 
@One Brow hqce you read “The Death of Expertise” or “The Assault on Intelligence?” Both are fantastic books on this subject. Especially The Death of Expertise which eviscerates our society for its lack of confidence in experts. One example he cites is how thousands of women put their faith in a Hollywood actress’s vaginal cleaning machine (endorsed by zero doctors) over experts’ claims that such a machine could and would cause harm. Lol.

It’s a problem that stems from a society overwhelmed with information (most of it crap from social media) and a society that is becoming increasingly complex.

One of the points he made that were thought provoking, as college education has become more universal it has become devalued. As higher Edu has become more universal, schools are feeling more pressure to become more marketable. How do they do this? By investing in cooler housing, giving out higher grades, making education more accessible, grades have become inflated (professors giving out accurate and lower grades has led to being fired. The most common grade awarded? A grade), and otherwise pandering to spoiled young people. As a result, respect for experts has and value for college education has diminished.

Fascinating read.

But again, both sides are not equal in this. While both sides have issues with experts and expertise, one side is willingly denying science and fact while creating a right wing fantasy to promote their political party at the detriment of the country and planet.

Being anti GMO or Vacinnation isn’t The same as attacking the FBI and declaring a war on the “Deep State” because they’re investigating Trump. Or endorsing trade wars while ignoring economists to own the libs. or denying climate change cuz the poor oil companies are being bullied by a few free huggers.
Every time I read one of your posts I am reminded how blind each of us really are to realities other than our own. You are blinder than most, though.
 
Trump and NATO is going about as expected. He is already taking swings and causing waves.

Just had a “testy” meeting with Stoltenberg. Pressed him repeatedly on why other countries are not paying 2% and why should the US defend them from Russia when they are making energy deals with Russia.

Here we go...
 
Trump and NATO is going about as expected. He is already taking swings and causing waves.

Just had a “testy” meeting with Stoltenberg. Pressed him repeatedly on why other countries are not paying 2% and why should the US defend them from Russia when they are making energy deals with Russia.

Here we go...

This article gives some background into what trump is ranting about. I actually think trump has a good point here. I guess Merkel could always counter with our trade with China and oil imports from the ME...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...germany-that-trump-is-so-mad-about-explained/
 
Very interesting development, especially in view of Helsinki being the next stop on Trump's European trip. Today the Justice Department indicted 12 Russian officers of GRU, the Russian military intelligence agency, for interference in our 2016 election. And some on both sides of the aisle are calling for Trump to cancel the meeting with Putin, in particular the one on one talks, with nobody else but two translators in the room. I really don't think these indictments are bring handed down with a blind eye to the Trump/Putin summit. Just my opinion, but unless Trump is prepared to make this development the top of the agenda, it's a bad look for him to hold this meeting. But it's likely asking too much to think he'll cancel.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-cancel-putin-summit-after-mueller-indictments-2018-7

A little background on GRU, and its activities:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...s-takeaways-mueller-s-new-indictments-n891356

Full statement and press conference of Deputy AG Rosenstein announcing the 7/13/18 indictments. He "editorializes" from about 8:20-9:40 to suggest we act like patriots, and not partisans.

 
Yep, the timing is really interesting. Trump was briefed on these indictments a week ago, yet, in a joint press conference with British PM May today, he once again called the Mueller probe a witch hunt. I wonder what Mueller knows that we don't know.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/13/trump-mueller-indictments-putin-summit-russia-probe-720953

“The timing is no accident,” said John Dean, the former Richard Nixon White House counsel whose public testimony about the Watergate cover-up helped bring down the Republican president. “It forces Trump to confront Putin. If he fails to do so he is admitting guilt. This story will now consume U.S.A. news, and blows up Trump’s claim it is all a witch hunt and hoax.”
 
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