Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Deleted member 365]

You would have to be a complete idiot. Sadly this country has plenty of idiots.

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You sound like you have “trump derangement syndrome.”

Sadly, about 35 percent of this country are complete idiots and addicted to the crap that Fox News, Breitbart, and am radio spouts. Nixon would’ve survived if he had had the right wing media of offering him cover fire like trump enjoys today.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You would have to be a complete idiot. Sadly this country has plenty of idiots.

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This is actually one of my biggest concerns about our democracy. Even once Trump is taken out either through impeachment/resignation/election loss, there’s just too much ignorance and tribalism in this country due to the sorting we’ve seen over decades. Through race, political beliefs, economics, people have been sorted out and divided. Most of the country leans left, supports rights for LGBT, women, and minorities, are far better educated, live in cities, and are generally voting democratic. However, they won’t be able to pass the things they want like higher taxes on the rich, gun regulation, health care reform, etc because so much of the middle of the country is so rural and red. Unless the senate filibuster is removed, the stuff AOC and the Dems are advocating for, Will never get the votes in the senate to pass anything.

So even after trump leaves, well continue to see the perpetual gridlock in DC. The gop has no incentive to change. They got the tax cuts they wanted. They’ll continue to get the judges they want. Even if they lose the White House and house for another generation, they can continue to serve as obstructionists, preventing government from functioning (which serves their corporate interests).

This only opens the door for yet another wannabe autocrat who will “fix everything.” The next wannabe dictator republicans send to the White House will be much smarter than trump.

Trump is a symptom of a Republican Party that long ago went off the rails and stopped working for the American people. We need a Conservative party that can pump the brakes on bad progressive legislation and provide a balance to big harmful government. But when one party refuses to play this game of democracy and instead decided to ruin it, well, how can democracy function?

 

[Deleted member 365]

Oh wow.



Jane Mayer is one of the best in the business.

 

[Red]

Talk of civil war will no doubt seem over the top, but pundits both left and right are finding themselves visualizing this moment in our history in just such terms....

I've been suggesting this scenario for awhile, since it seems inevitable. I believe it's two different ways of seeing the world colliding on history's stage. I believe the solution to this unfortunate junction in our nation's history lies in understanding we see the world we want to see, and when extreme poles are created, far left and far right, and those poles define the political dialogue, and the task at hand is to determine the future of a nation and society, it does create an untenable position for that society, wherein there is no way forward, no possibility of social and political stability.

The solution must lie in people recognizing that this condition exists, and finding someway of bridging the divide, of finding something in common again. It's a tall task, and it's probably going to be soon upon us.

It's just very hard for me to see a peaceful run to the 2020 election, or a harmonious social frabric in the wake of the 2020 election. And so, such talk as this is growing, and we need ask ourselves what are we doing to our nation:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amph...733af8-3ae4-11e9-a2cd-307b06d0257b_story.html

"All the doom, gloom and divisiveness has caught the attention of experts who evaluate the strength of governments around the world. The Economist Intelligence Unit’s Democracy Index, a measure widely cited by political scientists, demoted the United States from “full democracy” to “flawed democracy” in January 2017, citing a big drop in Americans’ trust in their political institutions.

Similarly, Freedom House, which monitors freedom and democracy around the world, warned in 2018 that the past year has “brought further, faster erosion of American’s own democratic standards than at any other time in memory.”

For my conservative friends, the origin of this disturbing trend as seen from the right:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018...lism-tech-boom-immigration-campus-radicalism/

The view from CPAC: "We are not going to turn on our own":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9786ac-3bb2-11e9-aaae-69364b2ed137_story.html

 

[Red]

You make a compelling argument but for some their vigilance is fueled by “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. Not all citizen involvement is equal. It needs to be taken case by case.

For you it’s involvement. For some others on here it’s derangement.

Perhaps, but I think what we need to keep in mind, and acknowledge and examine more closely, is understanding that our differences, in terms of liberal/conservative, and in particular in the extremes both left and right, may be rooted in two fundamentally different views of the world, that is itself reflective of different personality types. In other words, human psychology is involved in this divide, and we need to understand ourselves better, and recognize this is not simply a political divide, but is far more fundamental to our nature as human beings. It is what I meant by "different world views colliding on history's stage" in my previous comment.

 

[Stoked]

Perhaps, but I think what we need to keep in mind, and acknowledge and examine more closely, is understanding that our differences, in terms of liberal/conservative, and in particular in the extremes both left and right, may be rooted in two fundamentally different views of the world, that is itself reflective of different personality types. In other words, human psychology is involved in this divide, and we need to understand ourselves better, and recognize this is not simply a political divide, but is far more fundamental to our nature as human beings. It is what I meant by "different world views colliding on history's stage" in my previous comment.

I agree which is why it’s case by case. What is their argument, how do they present it, what are their past experiences, how do they label and talk about those with differing opinions, how frequently...

We really don’t disagree

 

[Harambe]

Trump derangement syndrome isn't one sided, or even rooted in trumpocracy 1010; merely a few branches down. So much so, that it's certainly a disservice to name it after just one man.

Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics

Authors:

Yochai Benkler is the Berkman Professor of Entrepreneurial Legal Studies at Harvard Law School, and faculty co-director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Robert Faris is the Research Director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Hal Roberts is a Fellow at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University.

This long, complex, yet readable study of the American media ecosystem in the run-up to the 2016 election (as well as the year afterwards) demonstrates that the epistemic-closure problem has generated what the authors call an "epistemic crisis" for Americans in general. The book also shows that our efforts to understand current political division and disruptions simplistically--either in terms of negligent and arrogant platforms like Facebook, or in terms of Bond-villain malefactors like Cambridge Analytica or Russia's Internet Research Agency--are missing the forest for the trees. It's not that the social media platforms are wholly innocent, and it's not that the would-be warpers of voter behavior did nothing wrong (or had no effect). But the seeds of the unexpected outcomes in the 2016 U.S. elections, Network Propaganda argues, were planted decades earlier, with the rise of a right-wing media ecosystem that valued loyalty and confirmation of conservative (or "conservative") values and narratives over truth.

There's many further left reviews. But this one does a pretty good job of not hurting the feelings of snowflake conservatives.

 

[Harambe]

How about that news manipulation?

They don't even try to hide it; merely claim unverified.

According to the magazine, former FoxNews.com reporter Diana Falzone "had obtained proof" of the affair and confirmed it with several key sources, including Daniels and her ex-husband.

Falzone had also reportedly obtained emails between Daniels’s attorney and Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen that showed that Cohen had proposed to pay cash to Daniels in exchange for a nondisclosure agreement.

Let's see the email's, eh?

 

[Red]

Trump derangement syndrome isn't one sided, or even rooted in trumpocracy 1010; merely a few branches down. So much so, that it's certainly a disservice to name it after just one man.

Network Propaganda: Manipulation, Disinformation, and Radicalization in American Politics

Authors:

Yochai Benkler is the Berkman Professor of Entrepreneurial Legal Studies at Harvard Law School, and faculty co-director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Robert Faris is the Research Director of the Berkman Klein Center for Internet and Society at Harvard University.

Hal Roberts is a Fellow at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & Society at Harvard University.



There's many further left reviews. But this one does a pretty good job of not hurting the feelings of snowflake conservatives.

Yeah, that sounds informative. I came across reference to that work for the first time today, while reading this lengthy report in The New Yorker, "The Making of the Fox News White House":

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/03/11/the-making-of-the-fox-news-white-house

"....Fox has long been a bane of liberals, but in the past two years many people who watch the network closely, including some Fox alumni, say that it has evolved into something that hasn’t existed before in the United States. Nicole Hemmer, an assistant professor of Presidential studies at the University of Virginia’s Miller Center and the author of “Messengers of the Right,” a history of the conservative media’s impact on American politics, says of Fox, “It’s the closest we’ve come to having state TV.”

 

[Red]

I agree which is why it’s case by case. What is their argument, how do they present it, what are their past experiences, how do they label and talk about those with differing opinions, how frequently...

We really don’t disagree

I just read this today, and I think it offers clues on ways out of this morass, although it does seem to work best in small town, rural America. It's a profile of the upstate New York town of Watertown, "The Least politically Prejudiced Place in America":

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...w-york-tops-scale-political-tolerance/582106/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-vary-their-degree-partisan-prejudice/583072/

 

[Stoked]

I just read this today, and I think it offers clues on ways out of this morass, although it does seem to work best in small town, rural America. It's a profile of the upstate New York town of Watertown, "The Least politically Prejudiced Place in America":

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...w-york-tops-scale-political-tolerance/582106/

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-vary-their-degree-partisan-prejudice/583072/

According to the Atlantic’s graph I moved from the low end of prejudice to the high end. Oh joy...

 

[Red]

Lolololol......



https://www.salon.com/2019/03/04/do...y-unhinged-why-didnt-media-cover-it-that-way/