Donald is about to go through some things...

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Chilling in a hotel room and binging youtube, so... I'm posting YT videos to JF



So in the other thread I lied about "last one"

 

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“If you're looking to see if somebody's going to be a strongman, what you find is even when they start campaigning, they immediately start trying to turn the public against the press, saying [the press is] biased and that they are the truth teller against the establishment," said Ben-Ghiat. As that leader's supporters increasingly come to believe that he is the only source of truth, she said, they will be primed to believe his claims of a stolen election.

"What Trump is doing is, he's asking for personal loyalty to him to outweigh the rule of law," said Jason Stanley, professor of philosophy at Yale University and author of How Fascism Works: The Politics of Us and Them. "We see this in any authoritarian takeover of a system. We see the authoritarian say, 'Devotion to me is more important than the rule of law.' "

The case will likely focus on statements that Trump and co-conspirators allegedly made in the weeks between the 2020 election and the violent attack on the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. Nonetheless, Stanley said it may illuminate some of the mechanics that have contributed to a profound shift in American culture and society.​

"What jumped out to me is that we finally have a structural understanding of the way lies can undermine democracy, of the way trust is central for our democracy," he said. "Democracy relies on faith in its institutions and laws. Otherwise, there's no stability."


View: https://www.npr.org/2023/08/07/1191813216/new-charges-against-trump-focus-on-lies-scholars-see-an-authoritarian-playbook

 

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“What jumped out to me is that we finally have a structural understanding of the way lies can undermine democracy, of the way trust is central for our democracy," he said. "Democracy relies on faith in its institutions and laws. Otherwise, there's no stability."

Could not agree more. It is essentially for the above reason that I have felt from the start of Trump’s Big Lie that it is the most damaging attack on our democracy by any president in our history. This is the bottom line. This is the essential crime. This is why it is absurd that he be allowed to run for that office again.

 

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"What jumped out to me is that we finally have a structural understanding of the way lies can undermine democracy, of the way trust is central for our democracy," he said. "Democracy relies on faith in its institutions and laws. Otherwise, there's no stability."

If you believe this statement to be true, then Trump isn't the bogeyman you're looking for and the trust was broken before the election ever happened.

We were all told by the government that schools had to shut down to save the children. That wasn't true.
Masks would protect you and double masks..... Not true.
Authorities said the vaccine would make you immune and stop the transmission of COVID. Again this wasn't true.
Scientists wrote a widely circulated paper claiming COVID being man-made and leaking from a lab was impossible. Their now published Slack messages show they felt the opposite was true.
Businesses were shut down and arrows were put in aisles because if you went the wrong way in a supermarket then you'd get COVID.
Governments closed parks and beaches.
Two weeks to stop the spread.

It was lie after lie after lie after lie from the government all as an excuse to institute the most authoritarian environment most Americans had ever lived under. Then the election happened with new rules the government made up about 5 minutes before they started counting the votes.

The actions Trump took in the aftermath were horrible, but he wasn't the one who broke institutional trust. The institutions did that and Trump only read the room in an attempt to use that broken trust to his own advantage.

 

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If you believe this statement to be true, then Trump isn't the bogeyman you're looking for and the trust was broken before the election ever happened.

We were all told by the government that schools had to shut down to save the children. That wasn't true.
Masks would protect you and double masks..... Not true.
Authorities said the vaccine would make you immune and stop the transmission of COVID. Again this wasn't true.
Scientists wrote a widely circulated paper claiming COVID being man-made and leaking from a lab was impossible. Their now published Slack messages show they felt the opposite was true.
Businesses were shut down and arrows were put in aisles because if you went the wrong way in a supermarket then you'd get COVID.
Governments closed parks and beaches.
Two weeks to stop the spread.

It was lie after lie after lie after lie from the government all as an excuse to institute the most authoritarian environment most Americans had ever lived under. Then the election happened with new rules the government made up about 5 minutes before they started counting the votes.

The actions Trump took in the aftermath were horrible, but he wasn't the one who broke institutional trust. The institutions did that and Trump only read the room in an attempt to use that broken trust to his own advantage.

Being wrong isn't the same as lying and you know that. Of course you won't admit it, so it isn't worth responding I guess. Just a troll doing troll things.

 

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If you believe this statement to be true, then Trump isn't the bogeyman you're looking for and the trust was broken before the election ever happened.

Trump was spreading these lies in 2016, the only reason one might forget is that he stopped after he squeaked out a win.

We were all told by the government that schools had to shut down to save the children.

I wasn't told that. I heard it was to prevent the spread of the disease.

Masks would protect you and double masks..... Not true.

I wasn't told that. I heard one wore a mask to protect others.

Authorities said the vaccine would make you immune and stop the transmission of COVID. Again this wasn't true.

It was true for the majority of the population for a limited time.

Scientists wrote a widely circulated paper claiming COVID being man-made and leaking from a lab was impossible. Their now published Slack messages show they felt the opposite was true.

The messages reveal it was possible, not likely.

Businesses were shut down and arrows were put in aisles because if you went the wrong way in a supermarket then you'd get COVID.
Governments closed parks and beaches.
Two weeks to stop the spread.

???

It was lie after lie after lie after lie from the government all as an excuse to institute the most authoritarian environment most Americans had ever lived under. Then the election happened with new rules the government made up about 5 minutes before they started counting the votes.

Would it have been better to shut people out of voting?

The actions Trump took in the aftermath were horrible, but he wasn't the one who broke institutional trust. The institutions did that and Trump only read the room in an attempt to use that broken trust to his own advantage.

Trump as the person in charge during the events you describe.

 

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If you believe this statement to be true, then Trump isn't the bogeyman you're looking for and the trust was broken before the election ever happened.

We were all told by the government that schools had to shut down to save the children. That wasn't true.
Masks would protect you and double masks..... Not true.
Authorities said the vaccine would make you immune and stop the transmission of COVID. Again this wasn't true.
Scientists wrote a widely circulated paper claiming COVID being man-made and leaking from a lab was impossible. Their now published Slack messages show they felt the opposite was true.
Businesses were shut down and arrows were put in aisles because if you went the wrong way in a supermarket then you'd get COVID.
Governments closed parks and beaches.
Two weeks to stop the spread.

It was lie after lie after lie after lie from the government all as an excuse to institute the most authoritarian environment most Americans had ever lived under. Then the election happened with new rules the government made up about 5 minutes before they started counting the votes.

The actions Trump took in the aftermath were horrible, but he wasn't the one who broke institutional trust. The institutions did that and Trump only read the room in an attempt to use that broken trust to his own advantage.

Dude, most countries did partial or full shutdowns in an attempt to control the spread of the virus. Do you honestly think it's a conspiracy to oppress you by making you wear a mask and stand 6 feet apart in checkout lines, instead of just a scramble to find ways to keep number of cases from spiraling out of control?

 

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Being wrong isn't the same as lying and you know that.

...said Donald Trump's legal defense team.

 

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Dude, most countries did partial or full shutdowns in an attempt to control the spread of the virus. Do you honestly think it's a conspiracy to oppress you by making you wear a mask and stand 6 feet apart in checkout lines, instead of just a scramble to find ways to keep number of cases from spiraling out of control?

I think that as authoritarian the government's restrictions were, that they needed to be correct or trust in the institutions pushing these restrictions would be damaged. After a year it became clear they weren't right, and they were slow to admit when they were wrong if they ever admitted they were wrong. A loss of faith in those institutions is only natural.

 

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Trump as the person in charge during the events you describe.

Yes he was and he deserved to lose.

 

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I think that as authoritarian the government's restrictions were, that they needed to be correct or trust in the institutions pushing these restrictions would be damaged. After a year it became clear they weren't right, and they were slow to admit when they were wrong if they ever admitted they were wrong. A loss of faith in those institutions is only natural.

What would have been the purpose of said authoritarianism? Hurting the economy for a year? Masks do provide some protection. And so do the vaccines. The pandemic was sudden, and it wasn't initially clear how effective those measures would be. But the government, which is made up by regular people with different ideas, interests, etc, was trying to find ways not to overwhelm the health care system.

 

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