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Exactly. Read reds post again. It doesnt say all trump followers. He describes a certain segment of his followers. Ones who have antipathy towards all authority in science, medicine, and politics. The ones who promote conspiracism as the default mode of thinking. The ones who believe that trump must never be questioned.

You know, the ones who act like they are in a cult. Red and Log arent talking about the trump supporters who saw his many flaws but supported him because they like his policies. They aren’t talking about the ones who held their noses and reluctantly voted for him because they are staunch republicans and could never vote democrat. They are talking about the trumpers who believe trump should never be questioned. That he is the greatest. The ones who could watch trump shoot someone on 5th ave in times square and continue to support him. The sheep. The ones who act like they are in a cult.


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no thank you

I don't care what your opinion is or if you find my contributions valid or valuable

I will not be tasked by you.
Lol didn't think so. Typical bully says stuff but cant back it up. If you didn't care, you wouldn't have quoted me. You're just a liar.
 
Hm... Hey everyone Fish can dish it but boy how dare anybody else.... I thought you were better than this yourself.

Ya i think trumpers are brainwashed idiots. I would hope that you would call me an idiot if i was purchasing biden merch, never acknowledging his flaws, going to his rallies, believing wild conspiracies about him fighting some good vs evil fight, etc.

Now i know people who voted for trump and who supported trump yet could see his many flaws and dont think he is the greatest president of all time. Those people are not brainwashed idiots.


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Exactly. Read reds post again. It doesnt say all trump followers. He describes a certain segment of his followers. Ones who habe antipathy towards all authority in science, medicine, and politics. The ones who promote comspiracism as the default mode of thinking. The ones who believe that trump must never be questioned.

You know, the ones who act like they are in a cult. Red and Log arent talking about the trump supporters who saw his many flaws but supported him because they like his policies. They are talking about the ones who held their noses and reluctantly voted for him because they are staunch republicans and could never vote democrat. They are talking about the trumpers who believe trump should never be questioned. That he is the greatest. The ones who could watch trump shoot someone on 5th ave in times square and continue to support him. The sheep. The ones who act like they are in a cult.


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What's this mean?

Trump is a victim, and since his followers believe, they too are the victims
 
Ya i think trumpers are brainwashed idiots. I would hope that you would call me an idiot if i was purchasing biden merch, never acknowledging his flaws, going to his rallies, believing wild conspiracies about him fighting some good vs evil fight, etc.

Now i know people who voted for trump and who supported trump yet could see his many flaws and dont think he is the greatest president of all time. Those people are not brainwashed idiots.


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There it is.... FIsh and others can dish it but can't take it.

My point is done here. That's all I was here to prove. I like ya, but maybe before disliking me more and more each day me for saying stuff like this, you look in the mirror.
 
What's this mean?

Trump is a victim, and since his followers believe, they too are the victims

I dont know.. you would have to ask red. What does that have to do with our discussion? Read my post. I laid out for you who are the cult type trump supporters and who arent. They arent all the same. I believe that when log was talking about trump followers being in a cult he was talking about a certain segment of trump supporters. Just like when i talk about trumpers being in a cult.

You would have to ask him that question to know for sure though. You and i are just speculating and trying to make our own interpretations.


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There it is.... FIsh and others can dish it but can't take it.

My point is done here. That's all I was here to prove. I like ya, but maybe before disliking me more and more each day me for saying stuff like this, you look in the mirror.

How am i not able to “take it”? What does that mean? What am I not taking?
Are you jazzyfresh? You remind me a lot of him with this post.


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How am i not able to “take it”? What does that mean? What am I not taking?
Are you jazzyfresh? You remind me a lot of him with this post.


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You got on me for doing exactly what you were doing. Telling me how you think less of me. Now don't take me wrong, if you don't like me I couldn't care less though I do appreciate you in Jazz talk, but my point this entire time is that you guys got on me for being a dick, and I admit I intentionally was, but from my view you guys have been being dicks far before I started. This is why I left this sub-forum the first time a month or so ago because I was simply saying I don't understand why John Stockton matters or why people turned on him like they did for simply having different opinions, some say stupid, but it still hurt nothing. Now I personally do think the vaccine does have more side effects than we know but there is little evidence(some but I don't trust the source) that sports people really are dying at any huge rate. I mean for simply bringing up that I don't think what Stockton said was worth the trouble I was accused of tribalism and other messed up things. I left. I came back here after Jordan Walker said what he said because I think it's extremely substantial. You guys obvously disagree but to me, it reafirms many things that were once considered conspiracies. It's a big deal to me. I was having honest dialogue then guys like log, OB, Game and others started getting off topic and attacking me. These guys brought zero to the table as far as the conversation at hand. I literally got my gender questioned(which to my understanding doing so intentionally is transphobia and I'm being honest not facetious on that) not to mention told how I'm uneducated, and that English is not my first language, amongst many other digs at how little knowledge I have.

I personally just feel like I dished it back what was being dished but I will be done with it and also this part of the forum in general. Take it outside the forum if you all want, but I wont. As said, I actually like you, always liked Log, and never had much of a run in with Gameface or Red. I'm over it. I was serious, then I was just being a facetious dick, now I'm just trying to make a point that I was treated pretty ****** too. Agree or disagree that's fine.
 
And ohh yeah being misgendered on purpose just as an insult. Notice how instead of cry like log I hit back instead of cry? I thought intentionally misgendering people was wrong even transphobic?
No one mis-gendered you. Someone used a gender-free pronoun. You responded by, in a feeble attempt at satire, insulting the notion of specifying genders. The response after that was restrained.
 
... I don't understand why John Stockton matters or why people turned on him like they did ...
Obviously, Stockton matters to you, since you've put all this time into the conversation. This statement by you is why what he said matters. That said, no one "turned on" him, he's still a basketball hero around here.

... then guys like log, OB, Game and others started getting off topic and attacking me.
I have not attacked you.

I literally got my gender questioned(which to my understanding doing so intentionally is transphobia and I'm being honest not facetious on that)
I did not read where you identified your gender. Can you point out that post?

I can appreciate that you think you only gave what you got. You can take my advice here or not, but maybe now is the time to be the bigger person? Walk away knowing you told us all off, confident in the correctness of your position.

I'm sure you've noticed this by now, but my personality type is examine the small details of my and other peoples positions, digging for the faulty premises so the assembly has a strong foundation. If you think I attacked you, it's because you found this uncomfortable. There are a couple of posters who I feel have earned the right to a change in my natural behavior, but you are not among them. If you keep posting bad ideas, I'm going to keep digging into them.
 
No one mis-gendered you. Someone used a gender-free pronoun. You responded by, in a feeble attempt at satire, insulting the notion of specifying genders. The response after that was restrained.
I assume this is about me, and, yeah, my initial emotional reaction, given that I have NB offspring, was to go completely scorched earth.
 
What's this mean?

Trump is a victim, and since his followers believe, they too are the victims
Well, haven’t you ever noticed that Trump always blames others? He blamed his 2020 loss on his claim the Democratic stole the victory from him. He actually won the 2020 election. And he began setting the stage for that lie months before the election, and, for that matter, he set up that lie as an excuse if he lost the 2016 election. This was what has been called the Big Lie. And at its core? Donald Trump belief, his insistence, that he is a victim! And a large number of his supporters are now married to that lie. Yet, it’s not true. So they are victims here. They have been snared by a lie by Trump, and are now seriously misinformed citizens. They are, in that respect, married to an alternate reality that does not exist: Trump did not win.

Another manner in which Trump capitalized on the emotion of victimhood is due to the fact that he is, after all, a right wing populist demagogue. He understood, it’s a skill set many demagogues possess, that large segments of the American population felt left out, felt alienated, were not happy with the direction of the country, were emotionally involved in the culture wars, and angry by much of what they were seeing in American culture in the 21st century. Demagogues have a consummate ability to play on the anxieties, anger, fears, etc that are a part of that segment of our population. And many times, people have not even verbalized their fears and anxieties to themselves, but they naturally resonate with what the demagogue delivers with his words. But a demagogue does all this for his/her benefit. It has nothing to do with love of country on Trump’s part. He couldn’t care less about his country.

A demagogue like Trump, is the ultimate cynic. He thinks very poorly of human nature, and knows how to utilize his understanding of human nature to manipulate his followers(perhaps we could admit much like marketing and politicians in general). His followers completely miss the fact that he cares not one iota for them. He is using them. They are victims. Willing victims maybe, but they’re Trump’s victims. With his ingrained cynicism, his breathtaking narcissism that makes him the center of the universe, he is prepared, and always has been, to use people anyway he pleases, to suit his purposes. And so many have had the wool pulled over their eyes.

I do believe people must always be prepared to accept responsibility for their decisions, including enthusiastically embracing Trump, but self awareness is often at a premium. The demagogue knows how to victimize those for whom self awareness is at a premium.

You provide disaffected citizens with a man who speaks their language, stirs up their anger, appeals to their fears and anxieties in the face of the modern world, and tells them “only I can fix our problems” and you have the makings of a populist movement led by a man who is in it entirely for himself. It’s a cult of victimhood. Trump is the Victim, and his followers feel the same way and some even believe he is God sent to save America at this time.

I remember one of his first rallies. He pointed to some demonstrators in the audience and told the assembled crowd “those are the worst that America has to offer”. They were not. They were our fellow Americans objecting to a demagogue’s words of hate. He was intent that moment on dividing Americans against Americans. He has always been a great divider, not a unifier.

Bear in mind, not every Trump supporter is going to relate to him as a cult member relates to their leader, I can use the term in a more loose sense, as in cult-like. That said, when you have a substantial percentage of the electorate now convinced that our elections are no longer honest, that’s due to listening to Donald Tromp, a liar like no other. Those of his followers that have been duped by him have, in a very real sense, been victimized by him….

So, looks like I ventured into a tome after all, lol. But now maybe you know what I was trying to say, since you asked. I’m not sure what is troubling you, though. All these angry remarks in several threads. My personal background was in the social sciences. I could not help but want to understand Trumpism and our present moment. It’s important to me. Because I always say: never sleepwalk through that portion of history that is your’s to live. I hate that “woke” has become a dirty word, because being awake in the era in which one lives allows one to understand the present with so much more clarity than otherwise. And understanding history is a huge help in that effort: the past truly informs the present. I just want to see the present moment in America and the world with as much clarity as my efforts can muster. Everything I do when I’m musing like this has that target as my goal. Don’t be angry about it, lol…


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Well, haven’t you ever noticed that Trump always blames others? He blamed his 2020 loss on his claim the Democratic stole the victory from him. He actually won the 2020 election. And he began setting the stage for that lie months before the election, and, for that matter, he set up that lie as an excuse if he lost the 2016 election. This was what has been called the Big Lie. And at its core? Donald Trump belief, his insistence, that he is a victim! And a large number of his supporters are now married to that lie. Yet, it’s not true. So they are victims here. They have been snared by a lie by Trump, and are now seriously misinformed citizens. They are, in that respect, married to an alternate reality that does not exist: Trump did not win.

Another manner in which Trump capitalized on the emotion of victimhood is due to the fact that he is, after all, a right wing populist demagogue. He understood, it’s a skill set many demagogues possess, that large segments of the American population felt left out, felt alienated, were not happy with the direction of the country, were emotionally involved in the culture wars, and angry by much of what they were seeing in American culture in the 21st century. Demagogues have a consummate ability to play on the anxieties, anger, fears, etc that are a part of that segment of our population. And many times, people have not even verbalized their fears and anxieties to themselves, but they naturally resonate with what the demagogue delivers with his words. But a demagogue does all this for his/her benefit. It has nothing to do with love of country on Trump’s part. He couldn’t care less about his country.

A demagogue like Trump, is the ultimate cynic. He thinks very poorly of human nature, and knows how to utilize his understanding of human nature to manipulate his followers. His followers completely miss the fact that he cares not one iota for them. He is using them. They are victims. Willing victims maybe, but they’re Trump’s victims.

You provide disaffected citizens with a man who speaks their language, stirs up their anger, appeals to their fears and anxieties in the face of the modern world, and tells them “only I can fix our problems” and you have the makings of a populist movement led by a man who is in it entirely for himself. It’s a cult of victimhood. Trump is the Victim, and his followers feel the same way and some even believe he is God sent to save America at this time.

I remember one of his first rallies. He pointed to some demonstrators in the audience and told the assembled crowd “those are the worst that America has to offer”. They were not. They were our fellow Americans objecting to a demagogue’s words of hate. He was intent that moment on dividing Americans against Americans. He has always been a great divider, not a unifier.

Bear in mind, not every Trump supporter is going to relate to him as a cult member relates to their leader, I can use the term in a more loose sense, as in cult-like. That said, when you have a substantial percentage of the electorate now convinced that our elections are no longer honest, that’s due to listening to Donald Tromp, a liar like no other. Those of his followers that have been duped by him have, in a very real sense, been victimized by him….


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXZXT3D0UE

Good post.

I’ll never forget this classic quote. Summarizes the Trump cult perfectly:

“He’s not hurting the right people.”

 
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Well, haven’t you ever noticed that Trump always blames others? He blamed his 2020 loss on his claim the Democratic stole the victory from him. He actually won the 2020 election. And he began setting the stage for that lie months before the election, and, for that matter, he set up that lie as an excuse if he lost the 2016 election. This was what has been called the Big Lie. And at its core? Donald Trump belief, his insistence, that he is a victim! And a large number of his supporters are now married to that lie. Yet, it’s not true. So they are victims here. They have been snared by a lie by Trump, and are now seriously misinformed citizens. They are, in that respect, married to an alternate reality that does not exist: Trump did not win.

Another manner in which Trump capitalized on the emotion of victimhood is due to the fact that he is, after all, a right wing populist demagogue. He understood, it’s a skill set many demagogues possess, that large segments of the American population felt left out, felt alienated, were not happy with the direction of the country, were emotionally involved in the culture wars, and angry by much of what they were seeing in American culture in the 21st century. Demagogues have a consummate ability to play on the anxieties, anger, fears, etc that are a part of that segment of our population. And many times, people have not even verbalized their fears and anxieties to themselves, but they naturally resonate with what the demagogue delivers with his words. But a demagogue does all this for his/her benefit. It has nothing to do with love of country on Trump’s part. He couldn’t care less about his country.

A demagogue like Trump, is the ultimate cynic. He thinks very poorly of human nature, and knows how to utilize his understanding of human nature to manipulate his followers(perhaps we could admit much like marketing and politicians in general). His followers completely miss the fact that he cares not one iota for them. He is using them. They are victims. Willing victims maybe, but they’re Trump’s victims. With his ingrained cynicism, his breathtaking narcissism that makes him the center of the universe, he is prepared, and always has been, to use people anyway he pleases, to suit his purposes. And so many have had the wool pulled over their eyes.

I do believe people must always be prepared to accept responsibility for their decisions, including enthusiastically embracing Trump, but self awareness is often at a premium. The demagogue knows how to victimize those for whom self awareness is at a premium.

You provide disaffected citizens with a man who speaks their language, stirs up their anger, appeals to their fears and anxieties in the face of the modern world, and tells them “only I can fix our problems” and you have the makings of a populist movement led by a man who is in it entirely for himself. It’s a cult of victimhood. Trump is the Victim, and his followers feel the same way and some even believe he is God sent to save America at this time.

I remember one of his first rallies. He pointed to some demonstrators in the audience and told the assembled crowd “those are the worst that America has to offer”. They were not. They were our fellow Americans objecting to a demagogue’s words of hate. He was intent that moment on dividing Americans against Americans. He has always been a great divider, not a unifier.

Bear in mind, not every Trump supporter is going to relate to him as a cult member relates to their leader, I can use the term in a more loose sense, as in cult-like. That said, when you have a substantial percentage of the electorate now convinced that our elections are no longer honest, that’s due to listening to Donald Tromp, a liar like no other. Those of his followers that have been duped by him have, in a very real sense, been victimized by him….

So, looks like I ventured into a tome after all, lol. But now maybe you know what I was trying to say, since you asked. I’m not sure what is troubling you, though. All these angry remarks in several threads. My personal background was in the social sciences. I could not help but want to understand Trumpism and our present moment. It’s important to me. Because I always say: never sleepwalk through that portion of history that is your’s to live. I hate that “woke” has become a dirty word, because being awake in the era in which one lives allows one to understand the present with so much more clarity than otherwise. And understanding history is a huge help in that effort: the past truly informs the present. I just want to see the present moment in America and the world with as much clarity as my efforts can muster. Everything I do when I’m musing like this has that target as my goal. Don’t be angry about it, lol…


View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4oXZXT3D0UE

Thing you fail to realize is I don't give a **** about Trump. You on the other hand are an addict in my honest opinion. He is heroin to you and you are legitimetly an addict. I also don't need some lecture that treats me like I'm 6 years old. That's why I didn't respond.
 
It was fun to click that link and be presented with a list of subscription options. Very useful.
Good journalism isn’t free. And I’m not the only poster to post links to articles from The NY Times or Post that require subscriptions. Just put me on ignore already if you’re just going to be an ***. Interactions with you have become increasingly dumber and hostile, escalated primarily by you.
 
Good journalism isn’t free. And I’m not the only poster to post links to articles from The NY Times or Post that require subscriptions. Just put me on ignore already if you’re just going to be an ***. Interactions with you have become increasingly dumber and hostile, escalated primarily by you.
done

EDIT: but it is generally nice to add something to a post besides a link, like a short summary of what you're linking to but whatever I don't care what you do. Post 100 twitter links in a row without any content of your own to your hearts content.
 
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