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If you're an American confusedly watching the darkest forces of ur nation rally behind a demagogue-maybe u can understand the Mid East now.
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Red said:
I think to understand the emergence of "the Trump phenomenon" requires we understand ourselves better then I think we do. Extremely difficult, when you are right in the middle of the historical current, to extricate yourself from it and try to see clearly what is actually happening and why.

One thing that I think has widened the division within the cultural and political wars is the emergence of the 24 hour cable news cycle. MSNBC and Fox give the respective sides an echo chamber for their beliefs. I think Fox made it clear from the start that they would help drive things like the birther movement, and the attitude expressed here by folks like CJ. I used to watch Keith Olbberman before MSNBC yanked him. I thought he was a brilliant guy and I enjoyed watching his stream of consciousness rants
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....and why are you dragging my good name and reputation into this discussion? (LOL) When we live in perilous times, when drastic action and drastic measures must be taken to preserve the economic, political and social structures of society, your going to have viewpoints and attitudes to match the issues and problems. Maintaining the status quo is not going to accomplish much of anything other than make matter worse! Thus, a Trump election will definitely change things in a drastic way, true or false? I have no political leaning one way or another in this matter. Just making an observation that coincides with "Divine Intervention" that is highlighted in the scriptures! The political element/entity (the "Wild Beast" of Revelation 17:16) is going to turn on the religious entity (Babylon the Great) and it ain't gonna be pretty!
 
It appears that Trump is intending to audit the Fed if he becomes President. This would be the most ballsy move any President had done against this criminal entity since JFK.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Lol, nice catch. My bad, I was posting at the game and not paying close enough attention. But it still doesn't change the fact that everything you're complaining about has do do with individual laziness and/or systematic bureaucracy. If you want to argue that grocery store clerks work harder than government employees go for it, but you would be incorrect.

Edit: Aaaaand accountability does come into play with the examples you gave. Grocery stores can open more lanes for you because they can afford to do so with greater amount of employees and resources. When you're at the DMV or the post office you have to wait because most of the time those people are doing the job of 3 or more people. Tax payer accountability limits resources due to the cost of keeping expenditures as low as possible due to the constant policing of waste aka bureaucracy.

What's funny is it's the lack of trust in government is what cause most of the waste, inefficiency, and bureaucracy. Pick your poison.
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I couldn't possibly see this more differently than you. Your claim that government is so accountable simply doesn't match the facts. I could show you report after report of government waste. Here's an example: https://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/50-examples-of-government-waste

I also disagree with your contention about why they don't open another lane at the post office when it gets busy. I see it all the time. A huge line runs out the door and a supervisor walks in, looks around, and then walks away. There is a "not my job" syndrome. When the same thing happens at the grocery store the supervisor opens a checkout lane and pitches in. I can understand why you would love us to believe that people in these sorts of environments are generally just as motivated to do their job well as free market employees (and it would be great if they were), but it's simply not the case. Although there are exceptions, most people make their decisions based upon what is best for them. The post office supervisor knows that his pay and job security will be no different whether he pitches in and does a job he doesn't need to or not. The grocery store supervisor knows the opposite is the case for him.
 
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carolinajazz said:
....and why are you dragging my good name and reputation into this discussion? (LOL) When we live in perilous times, when drastic action and drastic measures must be taken to preserve the economic, political and social structures of society, your going to have viewpoints and attitudes to match the issues and problems. Maintaining the status quo is not going to accomplish much of anything other than make matter worse! Thus, a Trump election will definitely change things in a drastic way, true or false? I have no political leaning one way or another in this matter. Just making an observation that coincides with "Divine Intervention" that is highlighted in the scriptures! The political element/entity (the "Wild Beast" of Revelation 17:16) is going to turn on the religious entity (Babylon the Great) and it ain't gonna be pretty!
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I figured you likely bought into the paranoid interpretation of the Obama Presidency promoted by Fixed News the past 8 years. But I certainly agree that we live in perilous times. And while I don't tend to agree, I do understand that yourself and many others interpret current events through the lens of biblical scripture. There seem to be more end times scenarios these days then I can keep up with. I have a close friend who sincerely believes space aliens are messing with human DNA to create a hybrid species, and further, that a secret cabal within the American government is helping them. Millions of people around the world agree with that belief. Your own interpretation of current events is the epitome of sound judgement in comparison. And I would never drag your name anywhere. If I'm not tolerant, then I am quite a hypocrite. I'm in this world, not of it, as far as I am concerned. If there is any meaning to human existence at all, I suspect it has to do with learning what love is, and practicing compassion toward all life. All these events of history are only the stage, the setting, upon which we either learn that truth, or do not. There have been times on this board where I have lashed out at you, because you seem so intolerant and narrow minded at times. But you do not let me get under your skin, and I respect you for that.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I couldn't possibly see this more differently than you. Your claim that government is so accountable simply doesn't match the facts. I could show you report after report of government waste. Here's an example: https://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2009/10/50-examples-of-government-waste

I also disagree with your contention about why they don't open another lane at the post office when it gets busy. I see it all the time. A huge line runs out the door and a supervisor walks in, looks around, and then walks away. There is a "not my job" syndrome. When the same thing happens at the grocery store the supervisor opens a checkout lane and pitches in. I can understand why you would love us to believe that people in these sorts of environments are generally just as motivated to do their job well as free market employees (and it would be great if they were), but it's simply not the case. Although there are exceptions, most people make their decisions based upon what is best for them. The post office supervisor knows that his pay and job security will be no different whether he pitches in and does a job he doesn't need to or not. The grocery store supervisor knows the opposite is the case for him.
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I'm not going to argue your interpretation of government accountability. I'm steeped in it everyday and have first hand knowledge of process and procedure. I'm sorry you have to wait in line at the post office and that has shaped your entire view of public accountability. It's very misguided to take your personal experience with one of the lowest levels of government and apply that across the board. Although, it is nice to hear you receive excellent customer service at your local grocery store.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
I'm not going to argue your interpretation of government accountability. I'm steeped in it everyday and have first hand knowledge of process and procedure. I'm sorry you have to wait in line at the post office and that has shaped your entire view of public accountability. It's very misguided to take your personal experience with one of the lowest levels of government and apply that across the board. Although, it is nice to hear you receive excellent customer service at your local grocery store.
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I am steeped in it everyday as well, first hand. And I absolutely call it into question.
 
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