Don't Ask, Don't Tell is officially history!!

[Nate505]

If part of this job is to actually read all 21 pages of this, I'm not sure I want it anymore

 

[babe]

this discussion has taken more twists and turns than the Ho Chi Mihn Trail

DADT is still in the trail. Why are we fighting anyway, what are our national security threats anyway, why can't GLBT folks help us find the right answers anyway. Sure we are polarized as a people with so many issues we can't simply do our national business like keep Americans safe from foreign threats.

I think the problem has to do with progressive agenda pushers(not identically GLBT folks necessarily, just ideologued wishing to exploit the issues) getting in the mix and using a bad situation to further their causes. Yes, if there were no wars going on, the campaign would be going forward anyway, just not in little caravans of APCs in the hot deserts of western Asia/middle east, just not involving fears of sexual attacks in dark latrines in the middle of the night and soldiers dying from dehydration because they don't wanna hafta "go" in the dark. And if not for our actual deployments of soldiers in harms' way, the military brass would have a different equation about what they can reasonably do. Back on topic DADT.

 

[babe]

If part of this job is to actually read all 21 pages of this, I'm not sure I want it anymore

hang in there. The reasson the "job", I assume you are a new moderator or something, is worth doing is because we need someone who doesn't really care who wins the thread debate just cares to keep it civil and in line with the forum rules.

 

[VINYLONE]

Millspa, do you think our armed forces are now ruined as a result of the recent decision?

 

[babe]

Question relatives? All the FBI had to do was issue a search warrant for Moussaoui's computer (<---had the 9/11 plot on it) based on the following information:

1-he refused to consent to a search of his computer
2-he was in flight school
3-he had overstayed his visa
4-he was Muslim
5-he affiliated with radical fundamentalist Islamic groups in Europe

Anything on there stick out as possible probable cause?

1-he had a right to refuse the search
2-no
3-no
4-not allowed
5-everyone muslim who attended a mosque in Europe had the same offiliation

Looks like PC thinking is clouding the judgment of "probable cause". Having any connection to a terrorist involved in 9/11 would make it for me to issue the warrant.

I'd issue one to search all of Bush's records for his dealings with the Bin Laden family.

But it looks like we have some real moderators wondering where this is all going? Shall we start a new thread, or drift back to DADT?

 

[VINYLONE]

Bandar Bush.

 

[moevillini]

... if there were no wars going on, the campaign would be going forward anyway, just not in little caravans of APCs in the hot deserts of western Asia/middle east, just not involving fears of sexual attacks in dark latrines in the middle of the night and soldiers dying from dehydration because they don't wanna hafta "go" in the dark. And if not for our actual deployments of soldiers in harms' way, the military brass would have a different equation about what they can reasonably do. Back on topic DADT.

Holy cow! and I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion of the Hindu religion either.

The fears you describe seem pretty outlandish. If random sexual attacks were truly such a realistic occurrence how the heck do you think so many college can have co-ed dorms? I mean, that's the ****ing horniest demographic of all.

Anyhow, I've sidetracked. Your statement seems to indicate that you think homosexuals are perverted and can't control their behavior. I disagree completely.

 

[babe]

I know some military leaders feel they will lose their "committed soldiers of conscience" with bibles.

I've heard others decry this class of soldiers as patsies for militarism/fascism/warmongers.

Others see it as merely a distraction from the focus/effort, with resultant weakening of our capabilities generally.

 

[Nate505]

hang in there. The reasson the "job", I assume you are a new moderator or something, is worth doing is because we need someone who doesn't really care who wins the thread debate just cares to keep it civil and in line with the forum rules.

Good point. Perhaps I should invest myself in it throw my own two cents in this matter. It's about damn time this got repealed. If these people are doing their jobs well and are proud to serve in the military, their sexual orientation means little to me.

I remember reading about an Arabic translator who got tossed because he revealed he was gay. It seems to me the last thing the Army needs is to get rid of Arabic translators.

 

[Revolution 9]

Good point. Perhaps I should invest myself in it throw my own two cents in this matter. It's about damn time this got repealed. If these people are doing their jobs well and are proud to serve in the military, their sexual orientation means little to me.

I remember reading about an Arabic translator who got tossed because he revealed he was gay. It seems to me the last thing the Army needs is to get rid of Arabic translators.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Nate505 again."

welcome to the show

 

[babe]

Holy cow! and I'm not trying to turn this into a discussion of the Hindu religion either.

The fears you describe seem pretty outlandish. If random sexual attacks were truly such a realistic occurrence how the heck do you think so many college can have co-ed dorms? I mean, that's the ****ing horniest demographic of all.

Anyhow, I've sidetracked. Your statement seems to indicate that you think homosexuals are perverted and can't control their behavior. I disagree completely.

alright, I can feel your pain.

No, I don't think "homosexuals are perverted and can't control their behavior" necessarily. Maybe some. Let's discuss the coed college dorm scene in comparison to what it's like for women in the military:

Yet the military—from Pentagon to the troops on the ground—has been slow to recognize the service these women perform, or even to see them as real soldiers. Rather, it is permeated with age-old stereotypes of women as passive sex objects who have no business fighting and cannot be relied upon in battle. As Montoya said about her time as a soldier, "The only thing the guys let you be if you're a girl in the military is a bitch, a ho, or a ****. You're a bitch if you won't sleep with them, a ho if you even have one boyfriend, and a **** if they don't like you. So you can't win."

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103844570

There was another NPR story that described women being in such fear of being raped "over there" that they would not drink fluids before sleeping for fear of having to "go" in the dark latrines during the night, knowing other women have been raped under those circumstances by "friendly" troops. A number of women were dying from dehydration in their sleep. . . .

I think the military brass might be reluctant to let the situation get any more complicated. . . . . might be part of their concerns about changing the DADT rule.

 

[LogGrad98]

Who said this?

Billary Clinton said this.