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don't believe the hype - only Jabari parker is the sure thing

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Fabtrey

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wiggins - let's all be honest here. this dude has a serious bust potential. he could be next tmac. or he could be just another 'potential' guy who won't pan out. I really have no idea who this guys is. and his athleticism is overrated. let's not act like young rudy gay couldn't do what he was doing when he was 19.
randle - he could be like cousins, but is cousins a franchise changer? i doubt it. and he will be undersized. i predict he will be 6ft 7 barefoot ish. maybe 6ft 7 1/2.
aaron gordon - potential is through the roof, but his offense is a major suspect. could be a beast down the road, but he will have 2-3 years of growing pain
marcus smart - could be d wade, or could be OJ mayo. who da hell knows.


etc, etc.


espn is pimping this year's draft hard, but except jabari(who i think will be a better melo who can play team ball), there are no sure thing. most likely we will end up having 6th to 10th pick, and i wouldn't cry so much about it. with trey ballin' this team will win some games. and even if we end up with most ping pong balls, we could just end up with 3rd or 4th pick. and from 2nd to 7th, i don't see major difference. randle is the guy who can immediately help, but we got favors and he is developing nicely.

bottom line i would rather see us playing hard and continue to develop our own young guys.

trey for ROY
 
on this mock
https://www.nbadraft.net/2014mock_draft

randle dropped alot. gordon too. gordon is offensively challenged and randle is undersized and can't go right. i like embiid, but i honestly don't know if he is next dikembe or thabeet.

bottom line, i keep looking at this list and i really am unsure about most of these guys except Jabari. Smart has dwade potential, but well Oladipo also was said to be dwade like.

i just think espn is hyping this class little too much.
 
Nbadraft is kind of hit and miss. He was definitely right about Harrison being overrated, never at any point had him in the top 10. As for Gordon, I think being on the #1 team in the country pushes him in the top 10 even though his stats are a little underwhelming.
 
Wiggins will probably be the most athletic player to ever play in the nba.

His athleticism is not overrated
 
Looks like the odds are probably going to be in favor of the Bucks getting the top pick. If we have a top 3 pick, I would be very happy coming away with either Parker, Wiggins or Embiid. I am really interested in Embiid
 
Wiggins will continue to get serious consideration because athleticism is the big boobs hanging out of a blouse in basketball. NBA execs, just like posters of JazzFanz, are willing to suspend rational thought and let the stiffies fly every time a Sene, Vesely, Schröeder or Biyombo come along. Not to say that Wiggins is among that caliber, just that it's more likely Wiggins goes higher because somebody will have a hard time not looking at the boobs.
 
As much as I am on board with the "tank" and know we need that #1 option the OP is right. We never know who is going to pan out to be a legit NBA player, Allstar, Or Super star. There have been so many misses in the Draft by so many different teams it would take forever to list them. But if you look at the list of Super Star players in the last 15 years you don't have to have a top pick to get one. You just have to pick correctly. Everyone is comparing this Draft to 2003. LeBron went #1 of course. But Melo #3 and Wade #5 are both team changing talent.

SO going back to 1995 here is the list of players that changed the team to a contender. And were they were Drafted.

1995. Kevin Garrnett (5)
1996. Kobe Bryant (13)
1997. Tim Duncan (1) Tracy McGrady (9). TMac had the talent, just never had the team
1998. Dirk Nowitzki (9). Paul Pierce (10)
1999. No one
2000. No one
2001. Pau Gasol (3), Tony Parker (28)
2002. Yao Ming (1)
2003. LeBron (1), Carmello (3), Wade (5)
2004. Dwite Howard (1)
2005. D Will (3), CP3 (4)
2006. LaMarcus Aldridge (2), Rajon Rondo (21)
2007. Kevin Durant (2)

There are alot of time that the Super star pick doesn't happen at #1.
 
Ben10 said:
We never know who is going to pan out to be a legit NBA player, Allstar, Or Super star. There have been so many misses in the Draft by so many different teams it would take forever to list them. There are alot of time that the Super star pick doesn't happen at #1.
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This is true but to say the wiggins is not an elite athlete or that his athleticism is overrated is just wrong.

sure he could be a bust
jordan, lebron, and kobe all could have been busts too..... anyone could be a bust, there is no such thing as a 100 percent sure thing, but when scouts and other people in the sports industry whose jobs are to evaluate talent tell you that this draft is special due to the likelyhood that wiggins, jabar, randle, exum, smart, and embiid will be stars....... I choose to listen to them more than the OP, but maybe the OP is a basketball talent evaluating guru
 
fishonjazz said:
This is true but to say the wiggins is not an elite athlete or that his athleticism is overrated is just wrong.

sure he could be a bust
jordan, lebron, and kobe all could have been busts too..... anyone could be a bust, there is no such thing as a 100 percent sure thing, but when scouts and other people in the sports industry whose jobs are to evaluate talent tell you that this draft is special due to the likelyhood that wiggins, jabar, randle, exum, smart, and embiid will be stars....... I choose to listen to them more than the OP, but maybe the OP is a basketball talent evaluating guru
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Pretty much this...

For all of us doing our wannabe internet scouting, we are at a serious disadvantage of evaluating the talent as compared to pro scouts. They have access to much more information than we do and they see these people up close and not just video clips.

So you sorta have to lean a little bit onto what they think. If they say Wiggens could be special, you have to listen. Pro teams rely on it and stake millions of dollars on it. I know some players bust but a lot of times those players weren't hailed as the next Lebron, or next great thing, rather they had had question marks.

Wiggens hasnt been terrible in his college debut. I don't think he has the bust potential think he has. He has shown some things that are living up to the hype.
 
Gerald Green is one of the top handful of athletes in the entire NBA. He probably has the highest vert of anyone. But, he hasn't really done much with what he has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOzo4pHTZ-M
 
fishonjazz said:
This is true but to say the wiggins is not an elite athlete or that his athleticism is overrated is just wrong.

sure he could be a bust
jordan, lebron, and kobe all could have been busts too..... anyone could be a bust, there is no such thing as a 100 percent sure thing, but when scouts and other people in the sports industry whose jobs are to evaluate talent tell you that this draft is special due to the likelyhood that wiggins, jabar, randle, exum, smart, and embiid will be stars....... I choose to listen to them more than the OP, but maybe the OP is a basketball talent evaluating guru
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I agree. And to add. Jabari is the safe pic. You know what your going to get. And the fear is if this is his ceiling. Wiggins on the other had, is a bit more of a risk IMO. But the reward is much higher if he ever gets that killer instinct and performs up to what he is capable of. I have seen games where he has this look in his eye and he can't be stopped. And then I have seen games where he goes through motions. If I am a GM. I take Wiggins #1 every day and twice on Sunday. Knowing full well he may never live up to what's promised. Cause the idea of what he may become outweighs anyone else in the draft.
 
mdalby said:
Gerald Green is one of the top handful of athletes in the entire NBA. He probably has the highest vert of anyone. But, he hasn't really done much with what he has.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOzo4pHTZ-M
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Thats because he isnt as skilled as Wiggens and he wasnt the top rated player coming out of college.

Pretty stupid to compare the two situations.
 
Hack, Why are you such an idiot? The point is that athleticism does not always translate to being a star player. Pull your head out of your arse and think a little before you type.
 
mdalby said:
Hack, Why are you such an idiot? The point is that athleticism does not always translate to being a star player. Pull your head out of your arse and think a little before you type.
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Thats what I want to say to you. You are so frustrating.

Is every kid that is athletic put number1 on all the mocks and hailed as the next great just because they were athletic. Where was Gerald Green slotted? Hmmm not first. Do you think that could mean that he has more than just athleticism and you are just an antihopper, so you rush to quick judgment without properly evaluating the talent?

Do you think that could be a possibility here?

Or should we just go with athletic people suck all the time?

Hello Kobe, Lebron, Jordan, Wade
 
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