homeytennis
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I thought was somewhat disappointing. I don't things are as bad as he paints them. I think the Tank worked and the pieces are there for a revamping of things I hope quickly.
Doug Robisnon Column in the Deseret News
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green
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Holy Crap. That man is an idiot.
First off, remember what the Deseret News is: Panders to the BYU crowd, who honestly believe they are going to win a national championship in football, have a heisman player, and go to the sweet 16 in basketball every year. OK. Now that you remember that, realize that NONE of those people are grounded in reality. NONE.
Ok, now, let's look at what was said:
I bet his young editor from BYU making $8/hr told him to use the word epic. He is so trendy.
Wow, this is news to me! They fired a coach? Who? It wasn't Sloan, he quit. It wasn't Layden, he moved to another job. It wasn't Corbin, his contract ended. Who did they fire? Was there some other coach out there?
Moron.
Yeah, they are starting over again, after the Stockton/Malone days and after the Deron days. Here is a quick question, how many NBA teams have been as successful as the Jazz when it comes to full blown rebuilds? I can only think of one: Orlando Magic. They have had two complete rebuilds since the Stock/Malone days, and both those ended up in THE NBA FINALS. And both of those involved tanking years.
Moron.
Oh gawd. Give me a break. Like I said, typical zoob. He would rather be fighting for the playoffs (or in BYU football's sphere, playing a ridiculously easy schedule and being ranked 23, going 10-2 with your only losses being against the only good teams you played, but the good news is, in BYU fan's eyes, if we could play them now, we would beat them!) than fighting for championships.
So uniformed. So typical Utah County. So ridiculous.
Let's look at the Hawks record, shall we? The Hawks went 38-44. And he is impressed? The Bobcats went 43-39. Hey, they were .500, right? That's something. And Big Al sent cans of paint to reporters. Look at what Utah is missing out on!
Look at what else we are missing out on: All those Jazz players that left, and are leading their teams to great things? What did they just accomplish? They were both BLOWN OUT by the Pacers and Heat.
Impressive.
Moron.
Like I said, look at the source. The readers of the Des News want to hear how BYU will compete for a title, how they won the good ol' spring championship, their boys are overcoming sin and crying with inmantes, and how the Jazz will dominate.
They have no perspective, no reality, and this guy is just feeding them what they want to hear.
These are the people that thought we would contend for the playoffs this year, because, Favors is awesome and Hayward is the next Larry Bird
*snicker*
At least they will be able to drown their sorrows in BYU's pathetic football schedule, they will get their 11 wins (with their only loss being against the only BCS team with a winning record), and feel good about themselves once again.
First off, remember what the Deseret News is: Panders to the BYU crowd, who honestly believe they are going to win a national championship in football, have a heisman player, and go to the sweet 16 in basketball every year. OK. Now that you remember that, realize that NONE of those people are grounded in reality. NONE.
Ok, now, let's look at what was said:
I bet his young editor from BYU making $8/hr told him to use the word epic. He is so trendy.
Wow, this is news to me! They fired a coach? Who? It wasn't Sloan, he quit. It wasn't Layden, he moved to another job. It wasn't Corbin, his contract ended. Who did they fire? Was there some other coach out there?
Moron.
Yeah, they are starting over again, after the Stockton/Malone days and after the Deron days. Here is a quick question, how many NBA teams have been as successful as the Jazz when it comes to full blown rebuilds? I can only think of one: Orlando Magic. They have had two complete rebuilds since the Stock/Malone days, and both those ended up in THE NBA FINALS. And both of those involved tanking years.
Moron.
Oh gawd. Give me a break. Like I said, typical zoob. He would rather be fighting for the playoffs (or in BYU football's sphere, playing a ridiculously easy schedule and being ranked 23, going 10-2 with your only losses being against the only good teams you played, but the good news is, in BYU fan's eyes, if we could play them now, we would beat them!) than fighting for championships.
So uniformed. So typical Utah County. So ridiculous.
Let's look at the Hawks record, shall we? The Hawks went 38-44. And he is impressed? The Bobcats went 43-39. Hey, they were .500, right? That's something. And Big Al sent cans of paint to reporters. Look at what Utah is missing out on!
Look at what else we are missing out on: All those Jazz players that left, and are leading their teams to great things? What did they just accomplish? They were both BLOWN OUT by the Pacers and Heat.
Impressive.
Moron.
Like I said, look at the source. The readers of the Des News want to hear how BYU will compete for a title, how they won the good ol' spring championship, their boys are overcoming sin and crying with inmantes, and how the Jazz will dominate.
They have no perspective, no reality, and this guy is just feeding them what they want to hear.
These are the people that thought we would contend for the playoffs this year, because, Favors is awesome and Hayward is the next Larry Bird
*snicker*
At least they will be able to drown their sorrows in BYU's pathetic football schedule, they will get their 11 wins (with their only loss being against the only BCS team with a winning record), and feel good about themselves once again.
Ya, **** BYU, man. Sick post.
Stifle Tower
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This article is even worse.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-Ruckus-Grading-the-Jazzs-rebuild-so-far.html
Some people just don't understand a complete rebuild takes a few years. It took about 3 years just to unwind all the contracts from the Deron-Boozer-AK-Okur era, even when they decided to dismantle that ship.
Agree with green. Some guys are morons. Yes, please, I wish we had kept Millsap, Foye, Carroll and Mo. Why not bring back Big Al, too? What did that get Utah previously...a first round sweep and then a year just over .500 but missing the playoffs in the tough WC. SO bring back all those players, with payroll right up to the luxury tax and then what? A 7th/8th seed and MAYBE a 4-1 defeat in the first round for the next 5 years, until the big contracts expire. In the meantime, the young players have to be dealt, without really knowing what they can do, because there is only room to keep 1-2 given the huge payouts to the "vets."
And future drafts? Jazz are stuck in that dreaded range of 16-18 where they only get backups and no impact starters.
Hindsight is easy. Maybe we DID discover that Kanter, Favors, Burks and Hayward aren't going to be all-star caliber players. I don't necessarily believe that. But we also would not have a top-5 pick, nor an extra one from GS. And the Jazz wouldn't have a MAX contract slot available. On the contrary, they'd likely be choosing between Favors/Kanter and Hayward/Burks over the next two seasons.
Maybe our top pick doesn't make a huge impact. Maybe this bunch never develops beyond a 7th/8th seed. But I'd rather see the Jazz TAKE that chance than assemble a team we already know has that ceiling.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article...-Ruckus-Grading-the-Jazzs-rebuild-so-far.html
Some people just don't understand a complete rebuild takes a few years. It took about 3 years just to unwind all the contracts from the Deron-Boozer-AK-Okur era, even when they decided to dismantle that ship.
Agree with green. Some guys are morons. Yes, please, I wish we had kept Millsap, Foye, Carroll and Mo. Why not bring back Big Al, too? What did that get Utah previously...a first round sweep and then a year just over .500 but missing the playoffs in the tough WC. SO bring back all those players, with payroll right up to the luxury tax and then what? A 7th/8th seed and MAYBE a 4-1 defeat in the first round for the next 5 years, until the big contracts expire. In the meantime, the young players have to be dealt, without really knowing what they can do, because there is only room to keep 1-2 given the huge payouts to the "vets."
And future drafts? Jazz are stuck in that dreaded range of 16-18 where they only get backups and no impact starters.
Hindsight is easy. Maybe we DID discover that Kanter, Favors, Burks and Hayward aren't going to be all-star caliber players. I don't necessarily believe that. But we also would not have a top-5 pick, nor an extra one from GS. And the Jazz wouldn't have a MAX contract slot available. On the contrary, they'd likely be choosing between Favors/Kanter and Hayward/Burks over the next two seasons.
Maybe our top pick doesn't make a huge impact. Maybe this bunch never develops beyond a 7th/8th seed. But I'd rather see the Jazz TAKE that chance than assemble a team we already know has that ceiling.
Green and Core are right on about this. I can't believe how they are attacking DL. He was brought here to make the organization better (kinda of like Romney tearing down companies) and now they are complaining about it. I am sure DL is laughing in his office and has a smirk on his face when he is finally done. Will Robinson write an article apologizing - NOPE!! I am 100 percent behind DL and if he hires Messina I might want to have his babies.
That only adds another log to the fire that Corbin couldn't coach. He had better talent than his record showed. And any competent coach will not have basement bottom defense no matter who he has as players.
Ty was a nice guy, a loyal guy, and a guy not cut out to be an NBA HC.
MoTappin
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This. We had much better talent than what Ty got out of them. Look at what Jerry did the year after Stock & Mail left; missing the playoffs by one game with a team whose "superstar" was AK? And it doesn't take a lot of talent to play scrappy, active defense. A decent HC should be able to inspire any team to at least do that much, but Ty couldn't seem to do it. Too nice a guy, to much of a buddy maybe.
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You forgot to mention byu in this post.
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thats better
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It is curious to me how a 'sportswriter,' someone who (among other things) writes about the NBA for a living, could so fundamentally misunderstand how the modern NBA works.
So, teams should never fire coaches? The Jazz would stick with a coach who the FO does not honestly think has what it takes to get the job done? This is some kind of organizational/character flaw?
Put aside any other reason one might have for not wanting to renew Corbin's contract, this is by itself sufficient reason: Prior to the season DL said the top priority was defense and that Corbin would be evaluated on that outcome (among others). Out of 30 teams in the NBA, the Jazz finished dead last (or 29th of 30) in defense. Not 'firing' Corbin would be the evidence of organizational character flaw, as it would indicate that head coaches are not in fact accountable for clearly stated team objectives and that DL cannot be taken at his word.
To Robinson, take off those Sloan/Malone/Stockton rose colored glasses. Those days are gone, and they're not coming back. Get over it, join the real world, and move on.
Edit to add: These kind of nostalgic yearnings for the past have the same character of the romantically naive belief of Jay Gatsby (if you're ever read the book or seen the movie) that one can recreate the past.
So, teams should never fire coaches? The Jazz would stick with a coach who the FO does not honestly think has what it takes to get the job done? This is some kind of organizational/character flaw?
Put aside any other reason one might have for not wanting to renew Corbin's contract, this is by itself sufficient reason: Prior to the season DL said the top priority was defense and that Corbin would be evaluated on that outcome (among others). Out of 30 teams in the NBA, the Jazz finished dead last (or 29th of 30) in defense. Not 'firing' Corbin would be the evidence of organizational character flaw, as it would indicate that head coaches are not in fact accountable for clearly stated team objectives and that DL cannot be taken at his word.
To Robinson, take off those Sloan/Malone/Stockton rose colored glasses. Those days are gone, and they're not coming back. Get over it, join the real world, and move on.
Edit to add: These kind of nostalgic yearnings for the past have the same character of the romantically naive belief of Jay Gatsby (if you're ever read the book or seen the movie) that one can recreate the past.
The real inaccuracy is his claim that the Jazz fired Ty. He wasn't fired. They didn't extend his contract. Just like when the Jazz let AJ and Millsap's deal expire. They weren't cut they just didn't get another contract.
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Because he writes for byu's newpaper duh
I agree. I guess Robinson didn't read the poll on the Deseret news poll? 83.7 percent said Ty should have been fired (I know he wasn't fired). So he is preaching to the crickets with his complaints.
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