**** DuPont

[RandyForRubio]

What's even the point of saying that, though? Should we not mention corruption and unethical behavior because they will continue to happen?

I never said that, did I? I'm merely explaining a one sentence statement I made. I'm not even talking about the article! I'm just saying the government isn't going to fix all our problems. Until we as a people change what's important to us, until we decide we care more about people than money, than nothing is going to change no matter what process we use to implement it.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Read the entire article.

That is pretty messed up of DuPont and pretty much all of the decision makers and lawyers etc.

As to getting out of the article anything about large gov't vs small gov't, there wasn't anything. Obviously a large government didn't help at all either. It couldn't have been much worse with a smaller government and some of the responsibility to monitor being on state governments.

I'm with Dala on not wanting to support this company in any way and will try to avoid it's products if I can. The problem here is they seem to be everywhere in some form or another. These new derivatives of C8 may not be as bad, or it may just be that we don't have enough data yet to prove they are just as bad. I don't like it at all.

 

[Harambe]

Glad I got in before the Ostrich hating gang.

 

[Gameface]

 

[Harambe]

Closer to

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

Just a general comment for now. These sorts of public examples of corporate malfeasance are but the tip of the iceberg. This sort of shiite has been going on as long as there have been corporations. In this light, I find my Tea Bagger family's childlike naive faith in the virtues of the free market to solve all of society's ills and their imputing of all things good and virtuous in the world to markets (along with their visceral hatred of government imputing of all things bad and inefficient to nefarious to the government) to be a very interesting thing.

Surely there's a balance there somewhere between allowing the free market to allocate economic resources, etc., while maintaining a vigorous set of laws and prudential regulations to constrain their behavior within reasonable bounds and within some notion of the public good. Shouldn't we be talking about what the best way to maintain this balance as opposed to demonizing the one or the other?

 

[franklin]

Not a fan of how this was delivered, but I agree to some extent. A lot of this falls on the government as well. Corporation's responsibility is to make money-- government's is to serve its people. I disagree with the contention that businesses have no responsibility to be ethical.

Still, I like to think that all humans have some sort of moral ethics instilled within them. How any human could have seen their operations causing women to have birth defects, and just ignore this is simply beyond me. Vile. Despicable.

I'm not cynical on humanity and have way more faith in people than most I interact with. You are giving way too much credit here if you think that at least some of the most successful, driven, cutthroat people in the world are not going to do whatever is necessary to be the absolute best. I've worked for people who were utterly despicable human beings who had no clue and thought they were doing God's work (A whole lot of LDS businessmen are well known for treating people like trash and being clueless to the fact).

Business has no responsibility to be ethical whatsoever. Government has a responsibility to ensure that business people are ethical. A few swift, high profile cases would go a long way in preventing this stuff. Our drawn out litigation (often a decade plus) and structural corporate protections leave many unharmed by the damage they cause.

 

[♪alt13]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Z0KME1Ssk

 

[moevillini]

just to make this Jazz related, sort of,
fyi, Deron Williams was born in Parkersburg, WVa

not saying that explains anything though...

 

[Stifle Tower]

Maybe I will try the more oil thing. The stainless pans look really fancy and cool and are good quality pans, I just hate cleaning the ****ers

Yes, when a non-stick pan wears out, think of where all that coating has been going. We've been using either olive oil cooking spray or grapeseed oil. Grapeseed oil doesn't break down as easily at higher temperatures so it's better to use (or so my wife says).

 

[Stifle Tower]

Business has no responsibility to be ethical whatsoever. Government has a responsibility to ensure that business people are ethical. A few swift, high profile cases would go a long way in preventing this stuff. Our drawn out litigation (often a decade plus) and structural corporate protections leave many unharmed by the damage they cause.

Well, they've tried with the FDA and the EPA. But god knows how wrought with fraud those two entities have been. Many times they are run by former employees of the very businesses they've been entrusted to investigate. Appointments are easily swayed by the size of campaign contributions. Have to take it out of government hands and somehow make it independent and non-profit, similar to what Consumer Reports does with their testing of retail products.

 

[moevillini]

Well, they've tried with the FDA and the EPA. But god knows how wrought with fraud those two entities have been. Many times they are run by former employees of the very businesses they've been entrusted to investigate. Appointments are easily swayed by the size of campaign contributions. Have to take it out of government hands and somehow make it independent and non-profit, similar to what Consumer Reports does with their testing of retail products.

IAWTP