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Early Onset Psychosis Linked To Mary Jane Use

LogGrad98 said:
Question this raises, for the regular pot smokers.

Let's say it is fully legalized, and then there are all kinds of studies done in the light of full disclosure. And let's say that study after study proves without doubt that weed is bad for you (pick a way, but bad for you nonetheless). Will that change your attitude toward it?
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I don't use tobacco nor marijuana, I do have a drink every few months. I would say that the effects would have to considerably worse than alcohol or tobacco to make criminalization worthwhile.
 
One Brow said:
I don't really care how I'm being poisoned. Not being poisoned is the important part.
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Just sayin that lots o people take drugs such as paxil, prozac, percocet, oxycontin for things like pain, anxiety, depression.

If MJ did a decent job of relieving those issues then i think it is a better alternative
 
The "Weed is natural, it's a plant" argument never made much sense to me, tbh. Should we legalize opium too? Cocaine?
 
dalamon said:
The "Weed is natural, it's a plant" argument never made much sense to me, tbh. Should we legalize opium too? Cocaine?
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Don't get all crazy on us by advocating synthetic tank oxygen now.

Next thing we know they'll be putting iodine in are salt and vitamins in are serious.
 
Nate505 said:
Raw opium? Yes. Coca leaves? Yes.

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Exactly.
Cocaine and opium get processed by man, so i dont consider them natural.

Where with weed you can pop a seed in the ground, watch it grow, cut it, hang dry it and enjoy it
 
fishonjazz said:
Exactly.
Cocaine and opium get processed by man, so i dont consider them natural.

Where with weed you can pop a seed in the ground, watch it grow, cut it, hang dry it and enjoy it
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Cutting and hang drying is processing. Your distinction is arbitrary.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree.

Is picking an apple from a tree processing?
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I would not expect you to agree. If you did, you would not have set up an arbitrary distinction in the first place.

The equivalent to eating an apple right off a tree is smoking/ingesting a cannabis leaf right off the plant. You don't do that.
 
I also think the "it's natural" argument is pretty ****ing stupid.

Dal, I'm not convinced criminalizing possession/use of drugs of abuse is effective in curbing use/abuse/addiction. I think it probably does more harm than good. So yes, absent better evidence that the best way to deal with drug abuse is by throwing people in prison, I think all drugs should be decriminalized (at the very least).

One Brow said:
The equivalent to eating an apple right off a tree is smoking/ingesting a cannabis leaf right off the plant.
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It's the flowers, not the leaves, that are usually smoked/ingested (fwiw).
 
fishonjazz said:
Exactly.
Cocaine and opium get processed by man, so i dont consider them natural.

Where with weed you can pop a seed in the ground, watch it grow, cut it, hang dry it and enjoy it
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How about humans increasing the THC level of marijuana plants from the 60's to what we have today?
 
Scat said:
How about humans increasing the THC level of marijuana plants from the 60's to what we have today?
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doesnt have to be done.
If i grow it then i can decide how i want it grown.

Dont farmers try to maximize the size and quality of thier products?

I guess nothing is really all natural.

I maintain that marijuana is better for ya and less dangerous than prescription pain pills no matter how ya spin it since i have had multiple people close to me (that i loved dearly) who have died at a young age from pain pill addiction but i have never heard of weed taking anyones life
 
fishonjazz said:
doesnt have to be done.
If i grow it then i can decide how i want it grown.

Dont farmers try to maximize the size and quality of thier products?

I guess nothing is really all natural.

I maintain that marijuana is better for ya and less dangerous than prescription pain pills no matter how ya spin it since i have had multiple people close to me (that i loved dearly) who have died at a young age from pain pill addiction but i have never heard of weed taking anyones life
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Agreed.

Technically nothing domesticated would be "natural" in that sense of the word.

My dog may be an alien.
 
GVC said:
Dal, I'm not convinced criminalizing possession/use of drugs of abuse is effective in curbing use/abuse/addiction. I think it probably does more harm than good. So yes, absent better evidence that the best way to deal with drug abuse is by throwing people in prison, I think all drugs should be decriminalized (at the very least).
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You do raise a good point-- after all, look how 'successful' the prohibition era was. However, with modern society being so steeped in drug-abuse legislation, I feel like we might want to take the approach of 'getting our feet wet' before we jump into the swimming pool, if that makes any sense. If weed usage plummets after legalization, then maybe this is something we can consider for other drugs as well. I'd suggest we take it one step at a time.


I feel like people really don't understand how pointless the laws against weed are, in terms of inhibiting access. Within 15 minutes, I could think of 3 different people to call and ask for weed if I wanted it by tonight (if I ever smoked, that is).
 
dalamon said:
You do raise a good point-- after all, look how 'successful' the prohibition era was. However, with modern society being so steeped in drug-abuse legislation, I feel like we might want to take the approach of 'getting our feet wet' before we jump into the swimming pool, if that makes any sense. If weed usage plummets after legalization, then maybe this is something we can consider for other drugs as well. I'd suggest we take it one step at a time.


I feel like people really don't understand how pointless the laws against weed are, in terms of inhibiting access. Within 15 minutes, I could think of 3 different people to call and ask for weed if I wanted it by tonight (if I ever smoked, that is).
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I don't think usage has to go down to make decriminalization the better option. For instance, the number of people who used alcohol decreased during prohibition. The amount an individual drinker drank went up sharply. Also, beer and wine were the drinks of choice before prohibition but hard liquor became by far the most popular form of alcohol during prohibition and that trend continued for decades after prohibition. But disregard for the law amongst your average citizen went way way up because of prohibition. Corruption of police and politicians, and in turn the way people regarded them, also spiked. Petty thugs went from obscurity to positions of immense power and wealth. Alcohol was harmful and it still is. Prohibition alone, not even considering that alcohol consumption didn't go away and continued to do its harm, was more destructive to our society than alcohol ever could be. Marijuana prohibition filled the gap left by alcohol prohibition and has continued the trend of a more militaristic and invasive police force that is more the enemy of the average citizen than their protectors.
 
Scat said:
How about humans increasing the THC level of marijuana plants from the 60's to what we have today?
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That's a ******** claim pushed by the drug warriors. High potency strains existed in the 60s, just as they exist today. The distribution and availability of these strains is different today, sure, but cannabis has been bred for drug content for thousands of years. Hash, which is effectively THC (and other compounds) with very little plant matter was possibly more widely available 30-40 years ago than it is today, for example. You just get less Mexican schwag,

Dal and Gameface: Rates of use shouldn't be the concern IMO. Abuse should be what we're concerned about. As alluded to by GF, it's the rise in abuse (along with the rise in organized/violent crime) that made the prohibition of alcohol such a failure.
 
GVC said:
That's a ******** claim pushed by the drug warriors. High potency strains existed in the 60s, just as they exist today. The distribution and availability of these strains is different today, sure, but cannabis has been bred for drug content for thousands of years.
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Serious question. Not just for GVC, but maybe he has an opinion. How about extracts and hash? Do concentrated forms of THC turn it into an inherently more addicting (or should I just say addicting) and dangerous drug?

My take has always been that you can only really get so high and not much except maybe more drowsiness comes from going further. Is that true of extracts and hash?
 
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