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Early Predictions for the 2018/19 Season

How many games do you think the Jazz will win?

  • 60+

    Votes: 6 7.4%

  • 55 - 59

    Votes: 26 32.1%

  • 50 - 54

    Votes: 47 58.0%

  • 45 - 49

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • 40 - 44

    Votes: 1 1.2%
  • Total voters
    81
Sean said:
Looking at the NBA predictions contest from back in October, it appears a vast majority of fans thought the Jazz would finish third or better, so...
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Vast majority thought they would have an all star or two so......

Again, answer the question. How many teams have finished with the 3 seed or better in the West and zero all stars?

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fishonjazz said:
Vast majority thought they would have an all star or two so......

Again, answer the question. How many teams have finished with the 3 seed or better in the West and zero all stars?

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There is no question to answer because your premise actually correlates with the issue at hand - the Jazz were not a very good team for a huge chunk of the season and that played a role in the franchise not getting a player selected to represent the team at the All Star game. That snub directly plays into the disappointment of the overall season. Unless you're suggesting the Jazz don't have All Star talent, which would be ridiculous.

Is Nikola Jokic being selected to the All Star game, and playing only 13 minutes and scoring six points, the reason Denver got the two seed? No. Of course not. There are a handful of games the Jazz failed to show up for that defined the season and once again, it cost 'em a decent playoff position. The talent was there, the effort wasn't.
 
Sean said:
There is no question to answer because your premise actually correlates with the issue at hand - the Jazz were not a very good team for a huge chunk of the season and that played a role in the franchise not getting a player selected to represent the team at the All Star game. That snub directly plays into the disappointment of the overall season. Unless you're suggesting the Jazz don't have All Star talent, which would be ridiculous.

Is Nikola Jokic being selected to the All Star game, and playing only 13 minutes and scoring six points, the reason Denver got the two seed? No. Of course not. There are a handful of games the Jazz failed to show up for that defined the season and once again, it cost 'em a decent playoff position. The talent was there, the effort wasn't.
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The talent is there to be a 5 seed.

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Lol at "the effort wasn't there"
One of the dumbest cliche's of all time.

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Sean said:
There is no question to answer because your premise actually correlates with the issue at hand - the Jazz were not a very good team for a huge chunk of the season and that played a role in the franchise not getting a player selected to represent the team at the All Star game. That snub directly plays into the disappointment of the overall season. Unless you're suggesting the Jazz don't have All Star talent, which would be ridiculous.

Is Nikola Jokic being selected to the All Star game, and playing only 13 minutes and scoring six points, the reason Denver got the two seed? No. Of course not. There are a handful of games the Jazz failed to show up for that defined the season and once again, it cost 'em a decent playoff position. The talent was there, the effort wasn't.
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Ok. So how many teams with a 2nd year player as their leading scorer and not a single other player on the roster who are able to create their own shot have been 3 seeds or better?


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fishonjazz said:
Ok. So how many teams with a 2nd year player as their leading scorer and not a single other player on the roster who are able to create their own shot have been 3 seeds or better?


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This is funny because now it's you who's selling the idea the Jazz just isn't a very good team (they're just good) and likely have hit their ceiling. Good job at making a point I've claimed the last few days. I'm glad to see you're on board with the idea that this is probably the best we'll get from the Jazz. You know, a point you've derided over the last few days.
 
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Sean said:
This is funny because now it's you who's selling the idea the Jazz just isn't a very good team (they're just good) and likely have hit their ceiling. Good job at making a point I've claimed the last few days. I'm glad to see you're on board with the idea that this is probably the best we'll get from the Jazz. You know, a point you've derided over the last few days.
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Wrong. I have always been selling the idea that the jazz are a very good to great team that isn't in the elite of the NBA. Right about the middle of the Western conference playoff type team. I'm happy about that. We still got lots of potential to improve in the coming years. You seem to be upset that they aren't better.
I'm happy with the team, their effort, and their season.
You think I think they have hit their ceiling? You say lots of dumb **** but that might take the cake.

Of course I think they are gonna get better. Quin is a young, good, up and coming coach. That Donovan Mitchell guy? 22 year old superstar in the making. Guys will want to play with him. Gobert? This is his best year so far. I expect him to continue to improve. Roster flexibility. Financial flexibility. A good GM. Good ownership.


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fishonjazz said:
Wrong. I have always been selling the idea that the jazz are a very good to great team that isn't in the elite of the NBA. Right about the middle of the Western conference playoff type team. I'm happy about that. We still got lots of potential to improve in the coming years. You seem to be upset that they aren't better.
I'm happy with the team, their effort, and their season.
You think I think they have hit their ceiling? You say lots of dumb **** but that might take the cake.

Of course I think they are gonna get better. Quin is a young, good, up and coming coach. That Donovan Mitchell guy? 22 year old superstar in the making. Guys will want to play with him. Gobert? This is his best year so far. I expect him to continue to improve. Roster flexibility. Financial flexibility. A good GM. Good ownership.


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Finishing fifth isn't very good (and certainly not great). It's just good. I think the Jazz have been just good now for twenty years. Very good was 1996 when they got knocked out in seven in the WCF against Seattle. Great was the 1997-98 teams that made the NBA Finals. Good is making the playoffs but generally getting bounced in lopsided fashion by those same very good teams.

Alas, your continued personal insults don't make your argument any more valid. I am unsure why my view of the Jazz' potential being the exact same level of success we've experienced the last 20 years makes you so angry. It just confuses me that you obviously think my opinion is dumb as **** and yet you keep engaging in debates with me. If you're so convinced I've got no leg to stand on, or that what I'm saying is trash, why continue to debate me? That just seems like wasted energy.

How about this: let's rejoin this argument this time next year and see if the Jazz has elevated themselves above the 4/5 match-up?
 
Sean said:
Finishing fifth isn't very good (and certainly not great). It's just good. I think the Jazz have been just good now for twenty years. Very good was 1996 when they got knocked out in seven in the WCF against Seattle. Great was the 1997-98 teams that made the NBA Finals. Good is making the playoffs but generally getting bounced in lopsided fashion by those same very good teams.

Alas, your continued personal insults don't make your argument any more valid. I am unsure why my view of the Jazz' potential being the exact same level of success we've experienced the last 20 years makes you so angry. It just confuses me that you obviously think my opinion is dumb as **** and yet you keep engaging in debates with me. If you're so convinced I've got no leg to stand on, or that what I'm saying is trash, why continue to debate me? That just seems like wasted energy.

How about this: let's rejoin this argument this time next year and see if the Jazz has elevated themselves above the 4/5 match-up?
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Angry? You said I think the jazz have hit their celling. I was setting you straight on that.

We have different definitions of good and great. And I said the jazz are very good to great, as in the middle of the 2 adjectives.

You should go back into hiding rather than being a kill joy as the jazz are about to embark on the playoffs

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fishonjazz said:
Angry? You said I think the jazz have hit their celling. I was setting you straight on that.

We have different definitions of good and great. And I said the jazz are very good to great, as in the middle of the 2 adjectives.

You should go back into hiding rather than being a kill joy as the jazz are about to embark on the playoffs

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Lol, he comes in these threads and craps over everything, over and over and over again, and then tries to complain when he’s called out.
 
Sean is a purposeful troll. He's doing this to rile you guys up fyi.
 
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