Egyptian Emergency

[ema]

How likely do you think it is that the world will see a straight up war between Shi'a and Sunni in the middle east.

War in Syria
Increased tensions and attacks in Lebanon
Increased tensions and attacks in Egypt
Attcks in Iraq
Sunnis (Qatar, Saudi Arabia) funding one side
Shi'a (Iran, Syria gov.) funding the other

That would be the most stupid war of the history, even more stupid than the Honduras-El Salvador war.

However, I don't think it will be(a straight up war), because the current situation (all the strifes and conflicts) are much better for all the parties' interests, even for themselves. They, Sunnis and Shia, do not want war as well as they do not want peace either.

 

[NCJazz]

Been to Egypt twice. Never had any issues. Should be said that at most times American tourists are accompanied by a security person with an Uzi under his jacket. Mubarrak wasnt so bad after all. Christians there have to feel really scared right now. By the way most Egyptian weapons are still Soviet/Russian varieties. We send money/aid to Egypt to try to make sure it does not fall in the hands of Islamist radicals.

 

[Stoked]

Been to Egypt twice. Never had any issues. Should be said that at most times American tourists are accompanied by a security person with an Uzi under his jacket. Mubarrak wasnt so bad after all. Christians there have to feel really scared right now. By the way most Egyptian weapons are still Soviet/Russian varieties. We send money/aid to Egypt to try to make sure it does not fall in the hands of Islamist radicals.

Some would label the Muslim Brotherhood, of which the ousted president was a member, a radical group. We supported them over Mubarak.

 

[♪alt13]

The Muslim brotherhood was working within a political structure without real power(they were thrown out by a military coup).
As long as they were involved in a legitimate political process they were essentially defanged. I would bet that many members who were not "Radicalized" have become so after the military killed 600+ civilians yesterday alone.

The fact that El Baradei, a Nobel Laureate, liberal, and western favorite who supported the overthrowing of Morsi, resigned his post as Interim Vice-President is proof that things have gotten out of hand with the military.

 

[babe]

The Muslim brotherhood was working within a political structure without real power(they were thrown out by a military coup).
As long as they were involved in a legitimate political process they were essentially defanged. I would bet that many members who were not "Radicalized" have become so after the military killed 600+ civilians yesterday alone.

The fact that El Baradei, a Nobel Laureate, liberal, and western favorite who supported the overthrowing of Morsi, resigned his post as Interim Vice-President is proof that things have gotten out of hand with the military.

I think that the internet has sparked some new thinking in Egypt. Used to be, the Egyptian military was in the US pocket, but now they are going against Obama because the information is just all over about how the Muslim Brotherhood is actually a fascist western-based "asset" being used to foment war in the region, and they've decided to put an end to it.

 

[addictionary]

I always wonder what the reason behind Stoked's non-reaction attitude towards the happenings in Turkey in the last few months. Is it the media filter? Is it beacuse he does not see Turkey as a matter of Middle-east? I was surprised by it because he is really interested in such topics about the region.

 

[Stoked]

I always wonder what the reason behind Stoked's non-reaction attitude towards the happenings in Turkey in the last few months. Is it the media filter? Is it beacuse he does not see Turkey as a matter of Middle-east? I was surprised by it because he is really interested in such topics about the region.

Are you referring to Turkey's involvement with Syria? If so I talked about that.

Or are you talking about the protests in Turkey? If so I never really saw any reports that indicated it was more than a few protests. If that is not the case then please share.

 

[addictionary]

Are you referring to Turkey's involvement with Syria? If so I talked about that.

Or are you talking about the protests in Turkey? If so I never really saw any reports that indicated it was more than a few protests. If that is not the case then please share.

The protests are huge by meaning and vast in numbers and areal spreadedness; but cannot be compared to what Egypt is in now if we take them by death count. But I was more curious about the bombing in Reyhanlı, Hatay. Simply a massacre caused probably by the Syrian rebels and their benefactors the Turkish government who idiotically sees interest in starting a wsr with Syria.

 

[♪alt13]

I keep up with world news fairly well and haven't heard about most of what you are talking about. I'm going to say media filter.

 

[Gameface]

...huge by meaning and vast in numbers and areal spreadedness...

Quote of the month?

 

[♪alt13]

Quote of the month?

He has a much firmer grasp on English than I do on Turkish.

 

[ema]

I remember Stoked talking about Turkey/ME issues.

Or are you talking about the protests in Turkey? If so I never really saw any reports that indicated it was more than a few protests. If that is not the case then please share.

I keep up with world news fairly well and haven't heard about most of what you are talking about. I'm going to say media filter.

It's filtered hard by both Turkish media and western media. By the first day of the protests, our tv channels were broadcasting documentaries about penguins which became the symbol of the protests later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUOpCtQCinY

 

[ema]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1WrOIgQBHM

 

[addictionary]

I still can see the noticable inadequate awareness of the Western scholars towards the root reasons behind the struggling and conflict in Turkey. I don't blame anyone for it since it's even hard for us to attach a name to the whole thing. And we are obviously lacking the effort to spread the word about what the current Turkish governments intentions are all about. But it's getting better. Way better...

 

[ema]

I still can see the noticable inadequate awareness of the Western scholars towards the root reasons behind the struggling and conflict in Turkey. I don't blame anyone for it since it's even hard for us to attach a name to the whole thing. And we are obviously lacking the effort to spread the word about what the current Turkish governments intentions are all about. But it's getting better. Way better...

Agreed about the inadequate awareness of the Westerners and us lacking the effort to spread the word. But I doubt the things getting better. We will see that in the next elections.

And I actually fear us to be the new generations of victims of our gracious army with yet another coup. Just like the poor Egyptian fellows. Especially after all the things AKP have done to the military dudes, some righteously some unwarranted, I fear if they decide to strike back.

These lands, ME/Turkey, can't handle democracy without blood and westerners don't help in any way at all. Even when they say that they want to help, they just ruin it and make it worse, just like the Syrian and Egyptian examples again. Though no sane one believes their help claims in the first place, but I wish they just could stay out of it, at the very least.

 

[Stoked]

Agreed about the inadequate awareness of the Westerners and us lacking the effort to spread the word. But I doubt the things getting better. We will see that in the next elections.

And I actually fear us to be the new generations of victims of our gracious army with yet another coup. Just like the poor Egyptian fellows. Especially after all the things AKP have done to the military dudes, some righteously some unwarranted, I fear if they decide to strike back.

These lands, ME/Turkey, can't handle democracy without blood and westerners don't help in any way at all. Even when they say that they want to help, they just ruin it and make it worse, just like the Syrian and Egyptian examples again. Though no sane one believes their help claims in the first place, but I wish they just could stay out of it, at the very least.

You and me both. Enough American (and other allied) soldiers have died over there. If a bunch of idiots want to kill themselves by all means, wipe each other out. Then the good people over there can actually get somewhere and build something lasting.

 

[ema]

You and me both. Enough American (and other allied) soldiers have died over there. If a bunch of idiots want to kill themselves by all means, wipe each other out. Then the good people over there can actually get somewhere and build something lasting.

I've literally lost my hope for it. Because waste majority of ME people are blinded by their own minds and hearts, they betrayed their minds, they betrayed Islam, they are believing in crazy bunch of BS that are fabricated and dedicated to Islam and Islam messenger by his worst enemies and the people he fought against. They have no tolerance for any different beliefs or ideas, they don't even believe in real freedom, they just want people to be and think the way they like and they believe. They are exactly in the state of medieval Europeans and that's not gonna change soon with their current mentality.

 

[Stoked]

Saw a headline that said basically said Turkey blamed Israel for the Egyptian coup and that they have proof. Interesting.

Edit:

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/turkey-israel-egyptian-leaders-ouster-20008537

https://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/20/us-turkey-egypt-israel-idUSBRE97J0IK20130820

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/erdogan-israel-egypt_n_3784716.html?utm_hp_ref=world

 

[babe]

Agreed about the inadequate awareness of the Westerners and us lacking the effort to spread the word. But I doubt the things getting better. We will see that in the next elections.

And I actually fear us to be the new generations of victims of our gracious army with yet another coup. Just like the poor Egyptian fellows. Especially after all the things AKP have done to the military dudes, some righteously some unwarranted, I fear if they decide to strike back.

These lands, ME/Turkey, can't handle democracy without blood and westerners don't help in any way at all. Even when they say that they want to help, they just ruin it and make it worse, just like the Syrian and Egyptian examples again. Though no sane one believes their help claims in the first place, but I wish they just could stay out of it, at the very least.

The logical fallacy most folks like Stoked, and most other Americans, are still struggling with. . . . .

is their belief our intelligence agencies and government somehow are working for "democracy" in the sense of Gandhi's belief in "home rule" for India. British foreign policy has never been about "democracy" or "home rule" by any people on the face of mother earth, and American foreign policy under the Rockefeller Republican ande Noveau Riche Democrats is dominated by the CFR "thinkers", which follow the intellectual tradition of Cecil Rhodes. . . . meaning it's all about the Anglo-American white dudes running the world because nobody else can do the job.

Government of the fascist corporates, by the fascist corporates, and for the fascist corporates.

The most important thing people can do is insist on the principles of human rights and government of the people, by the people, and for the people, with limitied government powers, worldwide.

 

[Stoked]

The logical fallacy most folks like Stoked, and most other Americans, are still struggling with. . . . .

is their belief our intelligence agencies and government somehow are working for "democracy" in the sense of Gandhi's belief in "home rule" for India. British foreign policy has never been about "democracy" or "home rule" by any people on the face of mother earth, and American foreign policy under the Rockefeller Republican ande Noveau Riche Democrats is dominated by the CFR "thinkers", which follow the intellectual tradition of Cecil Rhodes. . . . meaning it's all about the Anglo-American white dudes running the world because nobody else can do the job.

Government of the fascist corporates, by the fascist corporates, and for the fascist corporates.

The most important thing people can do is insist on the principles of human rights and government of the people, by the people, and for the people, with limitied government powers, worldwide.

I'd appreciate you not assigning me specific stances until you talk to me about them first. You have no clue about my ideas or stances on anything you mentioned.