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JazzyFresh said:
No you've been saying all night that none of that mattered. You're saying it should be equal. That if both had a population of 2.7 million that both would have equal murders.

I'm saying there are things like poverty stricken areas, ghettos, gang areas by the police chiefs own admission that make areas in Chicago far more dangerous than Alaska.

Its common sense dude. These areas are dangerous. These small pockets are responsible for a lot of the gun problems in said cities. Chicago has plenty of nice areas. Most of Chicago is pretty nice but there are a lot of dangerous areas as well.

How you can disagree with me is astonishing.
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LMAO. Just stop. You are trolling, or an endlessly entertaining idiot.

It's totally the second one.

무식할수록 담당해진다는말이 맞다니까. ㅜ.ㅜ

And for the record, I agree that the State of Alaska is safer in regards to gun homicide than Chicago. Unfortunately, we weren't arguing about that. I'm actually far from convinced that you even know what it is that we were arguing about at all.

All I've learned is that you can't comprehend why per capita statistics are used, and possibly even what per capita means as a word.





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Safetydan said:
LMAO. Just stop. You are trolling, or an endlessly entertaining idiot.

It's totally the second one.

무식할수록 담당해진다는말이 맞다니까. ㅜ.ㅜ







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I'm just preaching common sense lol. Chicago is a more dangerous city than Fairbanks. You're saying otherwise. Lol
 
The Thriller said:
Further proof that I’m actually dead and have been placed into the bad place. I have no idea how many times I’ve figured this out and have had my mind erased. But I’m almost certain I’m in the bad place no matter how many times I eat frozen yogurt from Menchies:



Certainly, our country isn’t this stupid, right?
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Can any gun experts tell me - what is approximate price of a rifle, that in theory is suitable for a 10 year old i.e when hypothetically there is reason that she to use it a la because of a bad guy or dangerous animal? More than 100 USD? I am pretty sure that should even if i offer a possibility between high end rifle (that when correctly used can stop a charging hippo, rhino, lion or bear) or some good electronic device (high end computer or tablet) to 10 year old, then the answer would be 99,99% an electronic device. The sad thing is that probably they won't say - please gift me a season pass to some theme park instead :-)
 
lauriandres said:
Can any gun experts tell me - what is approximate price of a rifle, that in theory is suitable for a 10 year old i.e when hypothetically there is reason that she to use it a la because of a bad guy or dangerous animal? More than 100 USD? I am pretty sure that should even if i offer a possibility between high end rifle (that when correctly used can stop a charging hippo, rhino, lion or bear) or some good electronic device (high end computer or tablet) to 10 year old, then the answer would be 99,99% an electronic device. The sad thing is that probably they won't say - please gift me a season pass to some theme park instead :)
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Why a 10 year old gets a rifle is not to stop bad guys. It is so that person can learn gun safety and how to shoot.

I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. The people in the U.S. military who are exceptional at shooting did not learn to shoot in the military. They were exceptional shooters before they joined the military.

This is a military advantage I think very very few people appreciate. It is not a small advantage. It is very meaningful.
 
Gameface said:
Why a 10 year old gets a rifle is not to stop bad guys. It is so that person can learn gun safety and how to shoot.

I'll say this until I'm blue in the face. The people in the U.S. military who are exceptional at shooting did not learn to shoot in the military. They were exceptional shooters before they joined the military.

This is a military advantage I think very very few people appreciate. It is not a small advantage. It is very meaningful.
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I agree with you, that children should learn basic firearm safety and usage already in elementary school. Hopefully the teacher-mentor is a firearm expert and not a gun nut. For example, the children should learn, whether the bullet from the specific firearm will pass the wall and car door, what happens when you shoot a brick wall 10 metres away from you with an AR-15 rifle etc; what firearm is the most suitable for protection should you need to do a cross country hike on foot through the Venezuela or Serengeti national park (i am not gun expert but i presume that those trips would require different kind of gear).
For my taste giving a serious firearm as a gift to 10 year old child is in the same league as having a la MS SQL Datacenter license as gift from my wife (and i am an IT person) for christmas.
Of course, doing some firearm practise in Estonia is awfully expensive compared US. For example:
https://tlk.ee/en/shooting-packages-for-one-person/
 
lauriandres said:
I agree with you, that children should learn basic firearm safety and usage already in elementary school. Hopefully the teacher-mentor is a firearm expert and not a gun nut. For example, the children should learn, whether the bullet from the specific firearm will pass the wall and car door, what happens when you shoot a brick wall 10 metres away from you with an AR-15 rifle etc; what firearm is the most suitable for protection should you need to do a cross country hike on foot through the Venezuela or Serengeti national park (i am not gun expert but i presume that those trips would require different kind of gear).
For my taste giving a serious firearm as a gift to 10 year old child is in the same league as having a la MS SQL Datacenter license as gift from my wife (and i am an IT person) for christmas.
Of course, doing some firearm practise in Estonia is awfully expensive compared US. For example:
https://tlk.ee/en/shooting-packages-for-one-person/
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That would be ideal.

However, the practical reality is that MANY people in the U.S. learn about firearms from their relatives. And MANY become competent to hit what they are shooting at as a result. Flaws in the curriculum or not, I bet there are more people competent handling a firearm in the U.S. than in the rest of the world combined.

Maybe that's a flaw? Maybe it's a saving grace?
 
Zombie said:
Ok, let's come up with another metaphor. There are thousands of McDonald's in California, compared to just twenty four in Wyoming. Now, does this mean that Californians are more likely to eat McDonald's than someone living here?
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There are more automobile accidents in america than there are in the galapogos islands. That proves that americans are worse drivers than people on galapogos island are.


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Gameface said:
That would be ideal.

However, the practical reality is that MANY people in the U.S. learn about firearms from their relatives. And MANY become competent to hit what they are shooting at as a result. Flaws in the curriculum or not, I bet there are more people competent handling a firearm in the U.S. than in the rest of the world combined.

Maybe that's a flaw? Maybe it's a saving grace?
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IMHO any skill which helps you survive in difficult conditions is a good skill. However, how do you measure handling a firearm?
Long time ago our small company had a part of birthday party in the firing range. We had a chance to shoot a la 5 shots from Sig Sauer pistol, 5 shots from a small revolver and 5 shots from a shot gun. I would say my adranaline was quite high knowing i have a dangerous device on my hands. Maybe practise helps i.e you have to shoot at least 100-500 rounds to get some kind of perspective about guns and their features?
 
From Axios a sister of left leaning politico.

While its homicide rate is not the highest in the U.S., Chicago has consistently had more total killings than any other U.S. city — with 27 people killed since the beginning of the month.

Why it matters: Racial segregation, wealth inequality, gangs and the inability of law enforcement to solve crimes have fueled the gun violence epidemic — and a handful of minority, impoverished neighborhoods have received the brunt of the impact




https://www.axios.com/chicago-gun-v...ics-4addeeec-d8d8-4ce7-a26b-81d428c14836.html

I don't care to get into this today but what this article is saying is exactly what I'm trying to portray. Look at the maps and how congested some of the bad areas are with shootings.

It baffles me that you guys scoff at this. It's almost like you really don't give a **** about these people dying. I'm not saying that to be rude but most of you are just condescending assholes when I bring up that these people are in serious trouble.
 
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