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Enes Kanter for Otto Porter II

Would You Trade Kanter for Porter?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 25.0%

  • No

    Votes: 19 67.9%

  • I'd give my first born child and Kanter for Porter

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • Total voters
    28
NAOS said:
Even if Enes plays like he has for these past 15 games for the rest of this season, I'm almost certain that any GM would be sweating bullets waiting to see his offer sheet. Enes is still really raw, and this contract is going to feel uncomfortable/risky. The luxury with Porter is that you buy yourself some time before that next contract + he frees up a spot for Rudy in the starting lineup + Porter could very well be an excellent player in a position of need (we fuggin NEED perimeter defense, braugh).
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Enes is raw. He has been. But the truth is: he is less raw today because of the time we have dedicated to developing him. Why trade him for a guy like Porter who hasn't even proven he'll stay in the league? Do you want to watch Enes get better on another team? He has gotten better every year. He is still young, and still has about three seasons until he is 25, which is when you really know what you have with a big man. With his contract expiring, no trade would/could come close to fetching his value.

If he gets a big contract, it's not that risky, the cap is exploding. The risk is in not signing him and telling your fans that you are letting him go for nothing, when you already let an all-star, and an all NBA 3rd team player walk so you could develop him and then afford to pay him.

I am a Kanter homer, but I do have an objective side to me. There may come a time when we trade him to find a better piece for the team, but let's do that when he is worth more. It's stupid to buy high and sell low, and that's what Cy is suggesting with this.

NAOS said:
Enes had a string of relatively good games, but his jumper has really fallen off lately. So, the love affair for Kanter is really based on about 10-12 games. Do you feel comfortable inking him if he only shows these glimpses? <-- I'm asking everybody this question. And I'm asking the non-homer version of Sexual Favors, if there is such a thing.
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I feel very comfortable inking Kanter for the reasons I listed above.

As for his jumper, here are some stats to keep in mind:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01/shooting/2015/

Did you realize in the month of December he shot 40% from 3pt land? His first year doing this in the NBA, and you somehow perceive that as bad!?

Did you also know that he is shooting better from 10-16 on the year than Dirk!?!?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01/shooting/2015/


You should also know that Kanter is our only big that shoots above 70% from the FT line. In fact, he shoots 81%! This is very important when you think about the games that came down to making FT's. Compare his % to our next best big, Rudy, at 67%,, Derrick at 65%, and Trevor at 61%.

In fact,Enes beats out both Gordon and Trey with his FT%.
 
Sexual Favors said:
If he gets a big contract, it's not that risky, the cap is exploding. The risk is in not signing him and telling your fans that you are letting him go for nothing, when you already let an all-star, and an all NBA 3rd team player walk so you could develop him and then afford to pay him.

I am a Kanter homer, but I do have an objective side to me. There may come a time when we trade him to find a better piece for the team, but let's do that when he is worth more. It's stupid to buy high and sell low, and that's what Cy is suggesting with this.
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^Gets it.
 
Cy said:
Selling Kanter for Porter is selling high. Way high.
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I agree. Selling Kanter for Porter would be selling high. As in DL would have to be high on drugs.
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Sexual Favors said:
Enes is raw. He has been. But the truth is: he is less raw today because of the time we have dedicated to developing him. Why trade him for a guy like Porter who hasn't even proven he'll stay in the league? Do you want to watch Enes get better on another team? He has gotten better every year. He is still young, and still has about three seasons until he is 25, which is when you really know what you have with a big man. With his contract expiring, no trade would/could come close to fetching his value.

If he gets a big contract, it's not that risky, the cap is exploding. The risk is in not signing him and telling your fans that you are letting him go for nothing, when you already let an all-star, and an all NBA 3rd team player walk so you could develop him and then afford to pay him.

I am a Kanter homer, but I do have an objective side to me. There may come a time when we trade him to find a better piece for the team, but let's do that when he is worth more. It's stupid to buy high and sell low, and that's what Cy is suggesting with this.



I feel very comfortable inking Kanter for the reasons I listed above.

As for his jumper, here are some stats to keep in mind:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kanteen01/shooting/2015/

Did you realize in the month of December he shot 40% from 3pt land? His first year doing this in the NBA, and you somehow perceive that as bad!?

Did you also know that he is shooting better from 10-16 on the year than Dirk!?!?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nowitdi01/shooting/2015/


You should also know that Kanter is our only big that shoots above 70% from the FT line. In fact, he shoots 81%! This is very important when you think about the games that came down to making FT's. Compare his % to our next best big, Rudy, at 67%,, Derrick at 65%, and Trevor at 61%.

In fact,Enes beats out both Gordon and Trey with his FT%.
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Good post.

But, lemme just say: I'm confused by some of the stats on that sheet. For example, it says Enes is converting 46.7% of his shots from 10 to 16ft. But then it says that he's converting 37.1% of his jump shots (as opposed to dunks, hook shots, lay-ups, and tip shots). What other kind of shot is taking from 10 to 16ft if not a jump shot? Help?
 
NAOS said:
Good post.

But, lemme just say: I'm confused by some of the stats on that sheet. For example, it says Enes is converting 46.7% of his shots from 10 to 16ft. But then it says that he's converting 37.1% of his jump shots (as opposed to dunks, hook shots, lay-ups, and tip shots). What other kind of shot is taking from 10 to 16ft if not a jump shot? Help?
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46.7 is jumpshots from 10ft to 16ft only. 37.1 is jumpshots from everywhere. I'm guessing.
 
freakazoid said:
46.7 is jumpshots from 10ft to 16ft only. 37.1 is jumpshots from everywhere. I'm guessing.
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yeah, yeeesh, you're right. Still, these splits don't open themselves up very easily. Sexual Favors is reading them with such fanfare... seems a bit of a stretch to me, that's all. A good post, though. I repp'd it.
 
NAOS said:
Good post.

But, lemme just say: I'm confused by some of the stats on that sheet. For example, it says Enes is converting 46.7% of his shots from 10 to 16ft. But then it says that he's converting 37.1% of his jump shots (as opposed to dunks, hook shots, lay-ups, and tip shots). What other kind of shot is taking from 10 to 16ft if not a jump shot? Help?
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There is 16-3pt line, which he is shooting at 33%, but taking more of. It's an inefficient shot that players should avoid. If he is that far out, he should step in to his sweet spot, pass, or step out to the three (which he hits at nearly same percentage). Some may see this as a negative, but I believe it should be seen as a positive, since it is a choice and entirely fixable. From the areas of the floor that analytics tell us win ball games, he is very good. In Quin's ideal offense, these shots wouldn't exist in our offense. Eventually they won't. But right now, we are a young team who doesn't get what they want on offense yet, and are forced to take bad shots to avoid shot clock violations, etc. we will get better at implementation as we mature.
 
Sexual Favors said:
There is 16-3pt line, which he is shooting at 33%, but taking more of. It's an inefficient shot that players should avoid. If he is that far out, he should step in to his sweet spot, pass, or step out to the three (which he hits at nearly same percentage). Some may see this as a negative, but I believe it should be seen as a positive, since it is a choice and entirely fixable. From the areas of the floor that analytics tell us win ball games, he is very good. In Quin's ideal offense, these shots wouldn't exist in our offense. Eventually they won't. But right now, we are a young team who doesn't get what they want on offense yet, and are forced to take bad shots to avoid shot clock violations, etc. we will get better at implementation as we mature.
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It's also the shot a jump shooting big has to be able to hit at a better than 33% clip to be able to space the floor. Pathetic % for a big that is a supposedly has above average shooting ability.

And actually analytics say the worst shot is 10-15 ft from the basket. About .08 PPS less from those areas than midrange.
 
Kanter for Porter is a risky move for the Jazz because Porter still didn't show anything at Nba level and appears to be a bust.

We can overemphasise Kanter's weak points all the time...but at the end of the day Kanter is a big that averages almost 14 pts and 7,3 reb per game in 26,8 min! These numbers are respectable for a 22 years old big man!
 
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NAOS said:
The bolded part is a good point against the trade, but here's one reason to DO IT that hasn't been stated:

Even if Enes plays like he has for these past 15 games for the rest of this season, I'm almost certain that any GM would be sweating bullets waiting to see his offer sheet. Enes is still really raw, and this contract is going to feel uncomfortable/risky. The luxury with Porter is that you buy yourself some time before that next contract + he frees up a spot for Rudy in the starting lineup + Porter could very well be an excellent player in a position of need (we fuggin NEED perimeter defense, braugh).

Enes had a string of relatively good games, but his jumper has really fallen off lately. So, the love affair for Kanter is really based on about 10-12 games. Do you feel comfortable inking him if he only shows these glimpses? <-- I'm asking everybody this question. And I'm asking the non-homer version of Sexual Favors, if there is such a thing.
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Good stuff
 
Kanter and Favors both have talent,but you guy are not seeing heart give me the players that display passion and hate to lose.Favors shrinks I big moments and sometimes doesnt even show a pulse from tip to buzzer.Enes is always passionate and hates to lose.in the end he will better than Favors because he has more heart in his lil finger than Favors has in his whole body.So not any of the Kanter hater club members with Cy as their leader will convince me otherwise.and looking at the poll results,most agree.
 
jumpin bean said:
Kanter and Favors both have talent,but you guy are not seeing heart give me the players that display passion and hate to lose.Favors shrinks I big moments and sometimes doesnt even show a pulse from tip to buzzer.Enes is always passionate and hates to lose.in the end he will better than Favors because he has more heart in his lil finger than Favors has in his whole body.So not any of the Kanter hater club members with Cy as their leader will convince me otherwise.and looking at the poll results,most agree.
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Finally somebody that has the courage to say things as they are!

This is the concept I wanted to express when I wrote, not long time ago, that Favors is a good player but he does not play winning basketball and the lack of passion in his game....Kanter's haters were indignant but there is much truth in my words!

If the Jazz had to decide who trading between two players that have similar game, this type of arguments would be relevant.
 
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Diamond77 said:
Finally somebody that has the courage to say things as they are!

This is the concept I wanted to express when I wrote, not long time ago, that Favors is a good player but he does not play winning basketball and the lack of passion in his game....Kanter's haters were indignant but there is much truth in my words!

If the Jazz had to decide who trading between two players that have similar game, this type of arguments would be relevant.
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Favors doesn't play winning basketball?

He friggin dunked it at the buzzer as a putback!

Total flush down.

What did Enes do, I will not ask. He has not been given much clutch time.

Will Enes be better than Favors when this is over?

Offensively, yeah.

Winning attitude, hard to tell.

Enes talks a lot but I gotta see that mouth piece throwing attitude every game.
 
As much as I get annoyed with Cy and his anti-Kanter campaign, the idea that Enes is better than Favors is ridiculous. Favors is a legit two-way player. I believe Kanter is capable of becoming a 20/10 type player, but his defense will always be somewhat of a liability. If I had to choose based on the players they are now, it's Favors 10/10 times.
 
freakazoid said:
As much as I get annoyed with Cy and his anti-Kanter campaign, the idea that Enes is better than Favors is ridiculous. Favors is a legit two-way player. I believe Kanter is capable of becoming a 20/10 type player, but his defense will always be somewhat of a liability. If I had to choose based on the players they are now, it's Favors 10/10 times.
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Favors at 16/9 right now. Derrick might be the one to reach 20/10.
Based on production per minutes, Favors and Kanter are essentially even in points and rebounds. But Favors >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kanter defensively.
 
Lol at y'all scrubs voting no. Then Kanter disses Utah and everyone wants to trade him. Y'all jumped on what I had been on for years.

OP killing it and yall didnt want him loloollolo.
 
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