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Entire Jazz Team is in Utah

Thee Idiotic Minivan K said:
Please tell me you are smarter than this. These are millionaires. They know when they are supposed to be in Utah and wouldn’t be there if they didn’t want to be.
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Again, what makes you to be so sure about it? Do you have a lot of first-hand knowledge about the life of the NBA players? Where all of this certainty is coming from?

If you are talking specifically about the millionaires I know really well two of them (my relatives). One is a business owner and he is not spending that much time in office: he travels a lot with friends and family year-round - for fun and expensive hobbies. Another one, a successful corporate lawyer, is damn sure to not show up at work at any time during his time off: he spends it at his second and third houses enjoying life (as a corporate lawyer he also works mostly 9-to-5 unlike the poor souls at law firms).
 
jazznik said:
I really did not like this news. They should still have almost 2 weeks of vacation. And I understand that some players want to start the season early...but all of them? People have families, all kind of things going on and I really, really doubt that every single Jazz players was chomping on the bit to cut their vacation time two weeks short and get to work. Most likely some felt that simply could not say no "because of the implications", and that speaks really bad about the team culture.

Oh, and to all people liking that news: I sincerely wish that you will never end up working at the company where you would be afraid to say "no" to "suggestions" from the management/senior coworkers and will have to lose some of your vacation time or "volunteer" working for free.
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Alternate perspective: We know from years and years (even decades) of observation that these guys work out and work on their game all summer long (minus plenty of time they vacation). They'll definitely be working hard to be ready for training camp. At some point they'd rather work out with their teammates than with their personal trainer that they're tired of.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And they love their jobs. They love playing ball. They want to be the best for their pride and their paycheck
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Again, how do you know that? Because they say so?

What makes you think that most of NBA players are not doing it simply because of all the money they can get? Especially the forwards and bigs. If you are 6'7" or taller and have a decent athleticism you are heavily pushed since the middle school/early high school to become an NBA player and make a bank - regardless of their interests and passions. The NBA history is riddled with so many examples of players like Amaechi, Bynum or Ayton who simply could not keep putting effort into basketball after they made their first millions - and it cost the a lot of money. And I am sure there are way, way more basketball players who manage to stick to the job routine despite disliking the job throughout their careers.
 
jazznik said:
Again, how do you know that? Because they say so?

What makes you think that most of NBA players are not doing it simply because of all the money they can get? Especially the forwards and bigs. If you are 6'7" or taller and have a decent athleticism you are heavily pushed since the middle school/early high school to become an NBA player and make a bank - regardless of their interests and passions. The NBA history is riddled with so many examples of players like Amaechi, Bynum or Ayton who simply could not keep putting effort into basketball after they made their first millions - and it cost the a lot of money. And I am sure there are way, way more basketball players who manage to stick to the job routine despite disliking the job throughout their careers.
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Yeah just going to go ahead and mute you since you offer nothing but trolling
 
Watcher said:
Alternate perspective: We know from years and years (even decades) of observation that these guys work out and work on their game all summer long (minus plenty of time they vacation). They'll definitely be working hard to be ready for training camp. At some point they'd rather work out with their teammates than with their personal trainer that they're tired of.
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"These guys" or "all of the guys"? I am sure there are plenty of NBA players who are crazy about the game and/or highly competitive. I am also sure that there are many who are putting in the minimum effort for the money. You know, like in any work place.

I am just surprised that EVERY SINGLE Jazz players is having this burning love for the game and respect for the Jazz team culture. The same Ainge Jazz culture in which a player, on the average, lasts a year before being cast away. Even for the rookies from 2 years ago Agbaji has been traded after 1.5 season and there is strong talk about the Jazz ready to trade Kessler.
 
Also, for anyone who is interested there was a good podcast where Paul George and DeMarr talking about what motivates the NBA players and they are in agreement that many/most/some NBA players do not care about basketball and put in a minimum required effort only. Sometimes they say "many", sometimes "a lot", and sometimes "most" so it is hard to quantify it but it is very clearly that many, many NBA players are falling into that category.

And this podcast was spurred by Patrick Beverly saying that 50% of the NBA players he knows do not love the basketball and most of them are really good players who coast on their physical gifts.

 
jazznik said:
You know at one time I knew really well a couple of folks who did a seasonal work for something like 6 months of the year (think fishermen, gold miners). They flew in, worked hard and then chilled for a half of the year. I really do not remember any of them coming back to work 2 weeks earlier "to prepare". Everyone had things to do despite months of free time and flew in just a day or two before. I know this is just my personal experience and those guys did not play basketball for a living. I see the argument "they are professional athletes" thrown a lot and I am curious if those who use it are actually very familiar with the everyday lives of professional athletes or if they just imagine how professional athletes live.
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Did the fishermen's future work prospects depend 100% on them doing loads and loads of practice during that off-season?
 
I've been crying the whole Friday for the deep tragedy of millionaires having to go work after months of vacation/independent workout. That's how sad this is
 
jazznik said:
You know I would have no problems if I heard the report that 8 or 10 Jazz players are practicing early. And that other guys may come in later or just for the official start of the camp. Someone mentioned #culture. You know, the Jazz culture in the last 2 years was that the team ruthlessly dump half of their players every year via trades or not renewing the contracts. There is exactly one player who was still on the Jazz 2 years ago. Given that it is pretty amazing that now the Jazz players suddenly developed such an appreciation and dedication to the team that they voluntarily cut their free time short because of #culture.

Ask yourself: would you expect to find a strong team culture in a company with >90% 2-year turnover rate?
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You lost me at the at the "I would have no problems" part.
 
I'm listening to the hoops collective and they are talking about expansion. If the expansion draft was today which 8 players on the Jazz would you protect?

Is that worth it's own thread?
 
SoberasHotRod said:
I'm listening to the hoops collective and they are talking about expansion. If the expansion draft was today which 8 players on the Jazz would you protect?

Is that worth it's own thread?
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I would protect Lauri, Kessler, Keyonte, Cody, Sexton, Hendricks, Collier, and .... Flip.

I guess it's really comes down to Flip vs Brice.

Yeah, probably doesn't need it's own thread.
 
jazznik said:
Again, what makes you to be so sure about it? Do you have a lot of first-hand knowledge about the life of the NBA players? Where all of this certainty is coming from?

If you are talking specifically about the millionaires I know really well two of them (my relatives). One is a business owner and he is not spending that much time in office: he travels a lot with friends and family year-round - for fun and expensive hobbies. Another one, a successful corporate lawyer, is damn sure to not show up at work at any time during his time off: he spends it at his second and third houses enjoying life (as a corporate lawyer he also works mostly 9-to-5 unlike the poor souls at law firms).
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45 years of watching and following the sport.
 
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