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Ersan Ilyasova to sign with Jazz per Jordan Schultz

One consequence from this signing...

IF Ersan gets minutes THEN I expect Miye is not going to see many minutes. Miye was clearly the next man up when a small had an injury. I think Ersan gets those minutes and we go with a bigger lineup. Just my 2 bits.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He played Joe Johnson, Jeff Green, Ed Davis, Thabo for longer than he should have.
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What were Quin's options?

I guess one could argue that Thabo and Joe were taking developmental minutes away from Niang and Royce (along with the likes of Burks and Exum). But I don't think they were exactly ready for prime time in 2017 and developed nicely in secondary roles.

Ed Davis was stealing minutes from Tony Bradley so there was no great option.

So there is no good precedent where you had a vet replacing very good established very good rotation players, as is the case today
 
silesian said:
That is a really interesting point. Bogey seems to be hot or cold and Quin sticks with him when he is cold. I don't have stats to back this up, but I don't recall games where he starts cold and then heats up. Does Quin throw in the towel when Bogey is off and go with Ilyasova? Possibly. This goes back to my thesis: he is a cheap insurance policy.
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If Quin won't even close games with Ingles over Bogey then there's no way in hell he's going to play Ilyasova over him.
 
Jingled said:
If Quin won't even close games with Ingles over Bogey then there's no way in hell he's going to play Ilyasova over him.
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Yeah but that situation is slightly different. Joe is getting the minutes he should be getting. So if you don't start Joe and close with him, you steal his minutes from the second team. Second unit success has maintained and extended leads with Gobert/ Conley/ Ingles/ Niang line-ups. I don't think we want to be playing Joe 26 minutes and then asking him to close. This would wear him down over the course of the season.
 
silesian said:
What were Quin's options?

I guess one could argue that Thabo and Joe were taking developmental minutes away from Niang and Royce (along with the likes of Burks and Exum). But I don't think they were exactly ready for prime time in 2017 and developed nicely in secondary roles.

Ed Davis was stealing minutes from Tony Bradley so there was no great option.

So there is no good precedent where you had a vet replacing very good established very good rotation players, as is the case today
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Ed was basically the worst player in the NBA (no exaggeration) and Quin still played him.

There is no perfect comparison because normally when we make signings in season they are G league types. Here is the question to ask yourself... If Ersan had signed in the offseason do you think Quin would play him ahead of Niang? It would not be "crazy" to think Ersan would play over him.

And again... Quin may not replace Niang... but it is not "crazy" to think that. Words matter.
 
homeytennis said:
Lenny Wilkins, Dick Motta, Bill Russell and oh one Jerry Sloan have all said "I will play who is both hustling and producing. If it's a rookie so be it." The only one that doesn't have an NBA championship ring as a coach is Sloan and he played for Motta awhile.
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Jerry also benched D-Will for Milt Palacio... so he may not be the beacon to look to here.
 
homeytennis said:
Lenny Wilkins, Dick Motta, Bill Russell and oh one Jerry Sloan have all said "I will play who is both hustling and producing. If it's a rookie so be it." The only one that doesn't have an NBA championship ring as a coach is Sloan and he played for Motta awhile.
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Few rookies produce.
 
One Brow said:
Who are the really good coaches that don't have "reverence for vets"?
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Many do and Quin is pretty conventional there... Nick Nurse gives zero ***** and will play whoever in whatever scheme he has to.

Again... not crazy to think that if all things are close to equal that Quin or another coach will play a vet.
 
silesian said:
Yeah but that situation is slightly different. Joe is getting the minutes he should be getting. So if you don't start Joe and close with him, you steal his minutes from the second team. Second unit success has maintained and extended leads with Gobert/ Conley/ Ingles/ Niang line-ups. I don't think we want to be playing Joe 26 minutes and then asking him to close. This would wear him down over the course of the season.
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I'd almost argue that we have been playing Joe too many minutes, understadible with Conley going down. We need peak Joe for the playoffs. Fortunately, the schedule lightens up, and we can probably fit in a little more Oni.
 
I mean, Quin jettisoned Green and gave his minutes to Niang.

And most everybody here bitched about it. . .
 
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