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andylarsen said:
My sense is that it was something used as a reason why Shelvin was playing over Dante, that G trusted Shelvin more. I don't think it was a "G dislikes Dante" thing, though I don't know.
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Interesting. Is your sense that we werent able to optimize Dantes development due to us trying to keep Gordon happy?
 
andylarsen said:
My sense is that it was something used as a reason why Shelvin was playing over Dante, that G trusted Shelvin more. I don't think it was a "G dislikes Dante" thing, though I don't know.
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I don’t know if we keep casting aspersions onto Hayward because he’s our scapegoat, but if the narrative is to be believed about Mack and Rubio, then this makes the return on DWill a lot better than our return on Hayward.

Anyway, I can’t help but think that the storyline of Rubio had a fail-safe defense built into it by saying Hayward wanted him. Nobody has ever clarified what that means other than supposedly Hayward said he’d like to play with Rubio. It reminds me a lot of the Burke/Corbin narrative. Who knows.
 
What's the top thing we criticized Dante for?
His lack of aggression and meaningful penetration.

What does Mitchell excel at?
Penetrating and breaking down the defense.

I don't care who you call the PG or SG, the primary playmaker is/will be Donovan. We don't need Exum to play that role. We need him to play defense and hit 3's. Can Dante be a 3&D player? I have my doubts given his shooting stats over the 2 years he's played. Thus far, he makes Bricky Rubio look like Steph Curry. But it's worth a shot (pun intended).
 
infection said:
Anyway, I can’t help but think that the storyline of Rubio had a fail-safe defense built into it by saying Hayward wanted him. Nobody has ever clarified what that means other than supposedly Hayward said he’d like to play with Rubio. It reminds me a lot of the Burke/Corbin narrative. Who knows.
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I thought the narrative was primarily one that DL just wanted to show Hayward he was willing to commit to winning, unlike the previous seasons prior to Hayward's walk year. The PG position was in flux, with Utah unable to re-sign Hill and Jazz had the cap space that would disappear on July 1st. So Lindsey acquired the best PG he could. Now granted, Rubio was a pass-first player who would hopefully take some ballhandling/playmaking responsibilities away from Gordon. But did Hayward ever specifically request Rubio?

Bottom line is Rubio would have fit a Hayward-led team, where Utah had a dominant scorer in Gordon and had other shooters in Hood and Johnson, with one big inside. Favors rarely played with Gobert in the games when Derrick was healthy. Jazz are now playing an offensive scheme of: 2 in, 2 out and 1 "ignore him cuz he can't shoot."
 
Jack Strop said:
What's the top thing we criticized Dante for?
His lack of aggression and meaningful penetration.

What does Mitchell excel at?
Penetrating and breaking down the defense.

I don't care who you call the PG or SG, the primary playmaker is/will be Donovan. We don't need Exum to play that role. We need him to play defense and hit 3's. Can Dante be a 3&D player? I have my doubts given his shooting stats over the 2 years he's played. Thus far, he makes Bricky Rubio look like Steph Curry. But it's worth a shot (pun intended).
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you occasionally uncork a decent post.

Bracing for the next hyper-whiney one, doe.
 
Jack Strop said:
What's the top thing we criticized Dante for?
His lack of aggression and meaningful penetration.

What does Mitchell excel at?
Penetrating and breaking down the defense.

I don't care who you call the PG or SG, the primary playmaker is/will be Donovan. We don't need Exum to play that role. We need him to play defense and hit 3's. Can Dante be a 3&D player? I have my doubts given his shooting stats over the 2 years he's played. Thus far, he makes Bricky Rubio look like Steph Curry. But it's worth a shot (pun intended).
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I disagree to some extent. I think the team will be better with multiple guys who can attack and be aggressive. Mitchell can be great off the ball and it will help him have more energy not to have to create every shot all the time. Ideally both guys can play with and without the ball so defenses can't gameplan very easily. I'm not sure what the distribution should be exactly, but where I do agree is that DM has shown that he should have the ball in his hands quite a bit. This offense is best anyway when guys are just reacting and playing fast.
 
Quin's Murderface said:
I disagree to some extent. I think the team will be better with multiple guys who can attack and be aggressive. Mitchell can be great off the ball and it will help him have more energy not to have to create every shot all the time. Ideally both guys can play with and without the ball so defenses can't gameplan very easily. I'm not sure what the distribution should be exactly, but where I do agree is that DM has shown that he should have the ball in his hands quite a bit. This offense is best anyway when guys are just reacting and playing fast.
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I agree. And Dante has shown flashes. I'm not saying he will always just sit back and play off the ball. Quin's offense is based on screens and we see DM and Ricky both handling the ball quite a bit. But it should take a lot of pressure off Dante if he won't have that huge responsibility of having to create offense. He can pick his spots. We've seen him blow by people on occasion. But just like Rubio, he has to be able to stretch the defense with 3-PT ability if he and the Jazz are to succeed.
 
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