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Fair Share?

https://money.cnn.com/2013/03/12/news/economy/rich-taxes/



So when will the rich have paid their fair share?

The question is the problem. Even being willing to discuss "Fair Share" makes a socialist/statist/victim out of you. To become a real libertarian you need to know how to take over the conversation. Government is force, not fair.

Government, even in a democracy, has no more intrinsic virtue than a boatload of Vikings ransacking your village.

you have to call out the democratic stooges/thugs on the true nature of their privileged class of porkers who live off the dole watching Oprah, and support the sequestration of all natural resources in the lockbox of the government or the asset sheets of cartelists.
 
So, the answer is that because the system is unfair and the rich benefit unjustly from the influence they have over our government institutions then there is no amount of taxes they could pay that would equal a fair share?
 
So, the answer is that because the system is unfair and the rich benefit unjustly from the influence they have over our government institutions then there is no amount of taxes they could pay that would equal a fair share?

No. The initial question is loaded, or too easy to quickly attack after an abrupt response. It's no more useful to me than asking what amount of taxes is too little for the rich to pay. Obviously zero is too little and 100% too much.

The fact of the matter is our system is currently structured in every imaginable way to benefit the merchant class. Obama's stimulus was specifically designed to save businesses from failing demand, and outright giveaways to others. (Now Republicans want to come after the middle class...oops I mean "broaden the base" to pay for the debt created to save richie rich's businesses?) Federal Reserve policy is highly beneficial to those it lends to. Our social safety nets are pass through programs where fungible money is taken from the middle class, given as welfare, and spent on the products produced by the rich. We have the M.I.C., P.I.C., EPA over regulation pushing new competition out, tax advantages for big business financing that isn't available to the small start ups, Mega Ag. sucking billions up, utility monopolies, duopoly retailer structure... Capital is taxed at 15% before write-offs; my wages at 15.3% in FICA & SECA alone.

I don't know what the optimum amount of taxation is but I know it is much higher at the top under our current system. Also, if you want to see reforms to the bloated welfare state then make the rich pay for it. They're the ones buying off congress and will fix the damn problems if we start sending them the bill.
 
No. The initial question is loaded, or too easy to quickly attack after an abrupt response. It's no more useful to me than asking what amount of taxes is too little for the rich to pay. Obviously zero is too little and 100% too much.

The fact of the matter is our system is currently structured in every imaginable way to benefit the merchant class. Obama's stimulus was specifically designed to save businesses from failing demand, and outright giveaways to others. (Now Republicans want to come after the middle class...oops I mean "broaden the base" to pay for the debt created to save richie rich's businesses?) Federal Reserve policy is highly beneficial to those it lends to. Our social safety nets are pass through programs where fungible money is taken from the middle class, given as welfare, and spent on the products produced by the rich. We have the M.I.C., P.I.C., EPA over regulation pushing new competition out, tax advantages for big business financing that isn't available to the small start ups, Mega Ag. sucking billions up, utility monopolies, duopoly retailer structure... Capital is taxed at 15% before write-offs; my wages at 15.3% in FICA & SECA alone.

I don't know what the optimum amount of taxation is but I know it is much higher at the top under our current system. Also, if you want to see reforms to the bloated welfare state then make the rich pay for it. They're the ones buying off congress and will fix the damn problems if we start sending them the bill.

wut he said.
 
Hopefully...as long as there's a choke collar attached.

ha ha.

Medieval Feudalism is just one apparition of the eternal ghosts of man's eternal problem of "management". Don't imagine we'll ever "fix" it.

I'll be shouting "GGGOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" if we can just rip apart the mesmerizing "progressive" reincarnation we're suffering under now.
 
So, the answer is that because the system is unfair and the rich benefit unjustly from the influence they have over our government institutions then there is no amount of taxes they could pay that would equal a fair share?

No, the graph is just misleading and seems to want to imply that rates on the rich have been trending upwards.
 
The question is the problem. Even being willing to discuss "Fair Share" makes a socialist/statist/victim out of you. To become a real libertarian you need to know how to take over the conversation. Government is force, not fair.

Government, even in a democracy, has no more intrinsic virtue than a boatload of Vikings ransacking your village.

you have to call out the democratic stooges/thugs on the true nature of their privileged class of porkers who live off the dole watching Oprah, and support the sequestration of all natural resources in the lockbox of the government or the asset sheets of cartelists.

As usual, you've got me fired up, even though I have no idea what you are saying.
 
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