416Klawzz
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He is a tough defender, hard nosed indeed but the offense has dropped off.
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Handlogten's Heros
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literal definition of a role player... there are a couple that start on nearly every championship team.
I wanna know which teams haven’t because I’m pretty sure every championship team has role players.
This discussion is one of the most clown boner things I have seen in a while.
And to the direct point, this team would be A LOT worse if it replaced Joe and Royce with another Bojan and JC. The Jazz didn’t get bounced because they couldn’t score and only a person with a 10-year old’s level of analysis would think otherwise.
JimLes
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The really infuriating thing is that we knew damn well what we had. It's not as if this was a case of a player suddenly exploding after going to a new team. Millsap was talked about as a possible All-Star his last year here. Even if you buy into the logic that the timeline wasn't right, he was worth something.
I mean, how many cases can you think of where an organization develops a 4-time All-Star and then just lets him walk?
GVC
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Millsap had a pretty disappointing season his last year in Utah. Retaining him might not have been an option.
With that said, ownership/management threw away an opportunity to acquire assets in 2012-13, chasing a playoff spot (presumably). Total waste of a season.
JimLes
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Right, this isn't about retaining Millsap. It was clear by the summer of 2012 that Millsap and Jefferson were not considered the frontcourt of the future by the front office. We were not going to keep them. Why not trade them before they expire? Why trade Devin Harris for Marvin Williams? That's not even a lateral move.
LoPo
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Disappointing because we tried to make him play SF and conform to Favors and others. I was screaming to the top of my lungs those days to play Favors at C and Millsap at PF.
It was just so obvious. Then later on, I said we should trade Favors because he was never really a PF. His value was so high for a while there.
Sometimes, our decisions or indecision just drive me crazy.
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GVC
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Except that never happened.
LoPo
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Oh it definitely did. Paul's last offseason here was spent training at SF so he could get minutes. His training eventually made him better for Atlanta and Denver because his shot improved so much. We were so stupid to let him go all because Favors was determined to be a PF when he was clearly a C.
Gordon Monson: Paul Millsap has one thing in mind against the Utah Jazz, and his former team won’t like it
It was just short of eight years ago and Paul Millsap was struggling. As he almost always did when he played for the Jazz, he fought through the struggle. Bobbing and weaving, punching left, punching right, moving forward, always forward, lathering up as he did his work.
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LoPo
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The point is that he was told by our front office to build a skill set to play SF so he could see the court more. Then we let him go the next summer.
It was a gross mismanagement of an asset. That's the discussion we are having.
For crying out loud, the guy went on to 4 straight All Star appearances and was arguably Atlanta's best player during that stretch when they were relevant.
Favors is another mismanagement of an asset. Once we saw what Gobert was, Favors should have been traded for improvement elsewhere.
I mean, just imagine if we had kept Millsap, traded Favors, traded Hayward before he just left, and still drafted Don. DL drafted Rudy and Don but he pissed away Millsap and Favors' value.
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