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They signed Udoh AFTER they drafted Bradley (and saw him in practice and summer league). They also signed Udoh on a one-year guaranteed contract with a 2nd year team option. They then picked it up (after seeing Bradley some more).

None of how this has played out necessarily suggests that Bradley is good or that the Jazz believe in him. And no, I don't count them picking up an option at the beginning of the season that accounts to pocket-change as belief.

Besides, in what scenario does it makes sense to use a 1st round pick to draft a pure 5 with no hopes of playing? That's the scenario you laid out.
I don't think the selection of Bradley and the signing of Udoh need to be so tightly linked in some narrative. When Udoh became available, and the FO understood what he'd bring to the team, they signed him. They kept him around because he remained a better player than Bradley at the defensive end (our focus) + brought a ******** to team culture. Udoh's sticking power and Bradley's readiness are independent variables.
 
They signed Udoh AFTER they drafted Bradley (and saw him in practice and summer league)

Kinda irrelevant. They drafted him knowing they were going to acquire a backup 5 while he develops. Sometimes does not matter whether the chicken or egg came first. It was part of a coherent plan.
 
Absolutely it’s a straw man. Your original post insinuated that my criticism is based on him not nailing every pick. Which clearly isn’t the case. If the Jazz aren’t going to score in free agency then they cannot have misses in the draft. Lindsey hasn’t just erred in late first round picks, but also mid first and lottery picks too.

You are correct, I apologize. My post was more directed toward those who hammer on DL for not nailing late first round draft picks as evidence of his lack of competence, which strikes me as a incredibly silly argument, and not a straw man. Your post was more limited in scope, and you were not implying he should nail every pick, so, I guess straw man.

Still, for me, the issue is not how GMs do in a vacuum, it's how they do relative to other GMs. No GM nails every pick, none. For example, Hinkey whiffed on Okafor, Noel, Fultz, and arguably Saric. I'm guessing you can go down every team and find multiple draft picks that didn't pan out.

Also, one has to look at how other potential picks in the same range, which might have been selected by the GM, have done. In other words, if you team's pick doesn't pan out, but then neither did the picks who might have reasonably been thought to be the opportunity cost for your pick, then that's just a bad draft class, not bad GMing.

Nor is the correct frame of reference a team, and GM, who got lucky with late 1st or 2nd round draft picks that significantly outperformed expectations. Sure, there's some skill there, but also a tremendous amount of luck.

One thing we don't see in nearly any of the critiques of DL is consideration of the above types of context.
 
Everyone is wrong.

BREAKING NEWS - You heard it hear first!

This summer's big free agent signing will be Paul Millsap. He's not worth a max, so the Nuggets will have to wave him. The rest of the league will offer Paul two years and DL will offer him 3.

He's coming home.

We won't make the playoffs, but at least I'll be able to look at that beautiful face.


It would have been nice to get Harris of Mirotic, but we need to be realistic!
 
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There is no way for the Jazz to bring in a Kemba or Harris without losing Favors. Simple as. If I were Utah and had to trade him, I would try my hardest to get him to a situation where he would be happy and has a good chance to succeed. We'd owe him that much.

Utah has until July 5th to guarantee the deal for next year. Watch for that.
 
Everyone is wrong.

BREAKING NEW - You heard it hear first!

This summer's big free agent signing will be Paul Millsap. He's not worth a max, so the Nuggets will have to wave him. The rest of the league will offer Paul two years and DL will offer him 3.

He's coming home.

We won't make the playoffs, but at least I'll be able to look at that beautiful face.


It would have been nice to get Harris of Mirotic, but we need to be realistic!

I think they may actually keep him on his current number. They don't have tax issues or dudes they need to retain. Why let him go? If I am them I'd rather have him for one year and $30M than 2/40 or something like that. He's pretty important to them.
 
NONE of those give you close to 80% of what Favors gives you.
Well right, but they will be much, much cheaper.

Looking at Javale's numbers i was surprised at how similar to Favors' they are. Favors makes 17M and Javale has played for the league minimum for 4 consecutive seasons.

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Well right, but they will be much, much cheaper.

Looking at Javale's numbers i was surprised at how similar to Favors' they are. Favors makes 17M and Javale has played for the league minimum for 4 consecutive seasons.

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The difference is that one of them plays out of position about half his minutes(and his stats suffer because of it) and still produces like this. McGee has no chance at playing PF as well as Favors does and Favors' stats at center are much better than McGee's. For whatever purpose you want McGee, Favors is much better player than him at that role.
 
If we can sign a big name FA then we should obviously let Favors go to make cap room. If we can re do his contract to keep him and get the FA we should do that.

If we can't sign a big name FA we should definitely keep Favors. He is very good and was our 3rd best player this season. On top of keeping him because he is good he is also worth something in a trade. If we dont get a good solid FA then we need to trade for one and Favors is the key player for that as well. You dont give up talent that good when you can trade him later. Plus we will need salary in a trade and Favors will have that.
 
Haven’t read the whole thread. Has anyone mentioned Booker? He can be a small ball 5 these days. And he sorta shoots the three. Sorta. Better than Favors and Gobert.
 
One of the nice things about Favors is that he’s versatile enough to contribute as a backup 5 against teams that go small, or as a big, strong 4 against teams that play more with two traditional big men. I’d rather have him available if there's any way to keep him (at least for one more year.) Ultimately, I think that they absolutely need to try to get another All-Star caliber player if they can. If that means that they have to let Favors go to make the money work. . . then so be it. He's a strong player for the Jazz and a good player to have. I just think that they need to upgrade in other areas if they can - especially perimeter shooting.
 
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