Game Thread Feb 09, 2022 08:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Warriors

[LogGrad98]

If Forrest could learn to shoot from 3 at even a passable rate, to where he wasn't blatantly obviously afraid to shoot it at all, he could at some point make Mike expendable. Of course, if he could shoot the 3 he would be garnering a lot of attention from other teams and his price would go up substantially.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If Forrest could learn to shoot from 3 at even a passable rate, to where he wasn't blatantly obviously afraid to shoot it at all, he could at some point make Mike expendable. Of course, if he could shoot the 3 he would be garnering a lot of attention from other teams and his price would go up substantially.

Nah, just let Forrest be what he is, a very good backup PG.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Forrest can be the next TJ McConnell. I dont think he is ever going to be a starter caliber player, but a guy who isnt going to kill you if he has to start.

 

[Agent#00]

Y'all all know how I feel about the Mike Conley trade, but I WOULD NOT entertain trades for him at this time. He's playing really well, and Forrest could learn a lot from him the rest of the way this season.

Depending on how we do down the stretch and in the playoffs, the summer is when the conversation could be had if it's necessary.

Clarkson is clearly the odd man out right now.

we are 6th overall tied with the bulls. on top of us are suns, warriors, grizz, heat, bucks, teams I am not sure we can beat with our undersized guards. we got exposed on some of our losses and will get exposed again come playoff time so Mike comes to mind if we really want to get over the hump. he's value is high and we could get a starter in return. a good piece we can pair with DM.

jc no idea if we can get a decent guy in return. we can package him though

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Forrest can be the next TJ McConnell. I dont think he is ever going to be a starter caliber player, but a guy who isnt going to kill you if he has to start.

Super bonus points for the cross race comp.

Two things have happened with Forrest:

1- Driving with real intentions of scoring... the obvious improvement people see.
2- Rather than just playing good solid defense, he is playing solid defense AND disrupting with deflections/steals. It didn't make sense to me that his steal numbers and deflections were so low for his skillset. It felt like he was doing the Jazz thing of never fouling and it was neutering his aggressiveness.

Between Forrest and JB I'm cool on the JC minutes now. If we traded him I fear we'd put NAW ahead of both guys and he should be behind both guys until he proves it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Super bonus points for the cross race comp.

Two things have happened with Forrest:

1- Driving with real intentions of scoring... the obvious improvement people see.
2- Rather than just playing good solid defense, he is playing solid defense AND disrupting with deflections/steals. It didn't make sense to me that his steal numbers and deflections were so low for his skillset. It felt like he was doing the Jazz thing of never fouling and it was neutering his aggressiveness.

Between Forrest and JB I'm cool on the JC minutes now. If we traded him I fear we'd put NAW ahead of both guys and he should be behind both guys until he proves it.

Im pretty confident Utah is going to have NAW leapfrog Butler right away.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Im pretty confident Utah is going to have NAW leapfrog Butler right away.

Me too... and I hate it.

I wonder if JB is like an ******* or too confident for Quin behind the scenes. It was so weird to have a kid play that well in the pre-season without a summer league and then have Quin and the local media like Locke throw cold water on it all the time. Then after some ****** 1 minute stints he's benched. Then the narrative becomes "we are trying to win a title... lolz... can't play development guys lolz." But then they get a guy like NAW.

JB has one of the most important talents for a player to have. He can break down his defender and get shots or looks for others and the coaching staff turned their nose at it. The narrative became he can't play with others and he's a bad defender... He might be better at both of those things than JC who gets an unlimited leash. It's just so weird to me.

 

[KqWIN]

Super bonus points for the cross race comp.

Two things have happened with Forrest:

1- Driving with real intentions of scoring... the obvious improvement people see.
2- Rather than just playing good solid defense, he is playing solid defense AND disrupting with deflections/steals. It didn't make sense to me that his steal numbers and deflections were so low for his skillset. It felt like he was doing the Jazz thing of never fouling and it was neutering his aggressiveness.

Between Forrest and JB I'm cool on the JC minutes now. If we traded him I fear we'd put NAW ahead of both guys and he should be behind both guys until he proves it.

I think the second point was more of a Jazz thing. The Jazz play so conservative by intention. Obviously we let guys go by us with Gobert, but we also have no rotation concepts beyond "stay home". We've only seen it a few times, but last night was a really good example of how we can play when we play less rigid. Doubling Curry forced us into more rotations and they played it really well. The other game I thought they did this really well in was the first DEN game when Gobert was out. We knew we had to double Jokic with Gay on him, so we were prepared to rotate every time.

One of the hesitations I had about Dunn (even if he was healthy) is that his steal numbers would not be close to where they were in CHI as they would here. CHI trapped everything, Jazz played conservative as possible. I think before the year we were all OK if the Jazz dropped games because they tried out new strategy. Quin has been forced to do so because of Covid/Injuries, but I do think we've come out of this horrid stretch a better team. Navigating the drama/media element is tough, but I also think that some shaming of the perimeter defense was necessary. Rudy won't get all the blame this time and the rest of the players know that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Me too... and I hate it.

I wonder if JB is like an ******* or too confident for Quin behind the scenes. It was so weird to have a kid play that well in the pre-season without a summer league and then have Quin and the local media like Locke throw cold water on it all the time. Then after some ****** 1 minute stints he's benched. Then the narrative becomes "we are trying to win a title... lolz... can't play development guys lolz." But then they get a guy like NAW.

JB has one of the most important talents for a player to have. He can break down his defender and get shots or looks for others and the coaching staff turned their nose at it. The narrative became he can't play with others and he's a bad defender... He might be better at both of those things than JC who gets an unlimited leash. It's just so weird to me.

At the end of the day NAW has nearly 3000 NBA minutes under his belt and the stuff Butler does is probably considered redundant. NAW has length and the Jazz will always need length if it can play D.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

At the end of the day NAW has nearly 3000 NBA minutes under his belt and the stuff Butler does is probably considered redundant. NAW has length and the Jazz will always need length if it can play D.

I just wish we had taken JB with the #30th pick so he had a longer runway. With a two year deal you really have to get them on the court quickly to see what you have.

 

[LoPo]

we are 6th overall tied with the bulls. on top of us are suns, warriors, grizz, heat, bucks, teams I am not sure we can beat with our undersized guards. we got exposed on some of our losses and will get exposed again come playoff time so Mike comes to mind if we really want to get over the hump. he's value is high and we could get a starter in return. a good piece we can pair with DM.

jc no idea if we can get a decent guy in return. we can package him though

Mike's value is high, and right now would be a great time to trade him, but our FO and coaching staff are 100% committed to a team with Conley on it. That might change this summer, but I would be shocked if Mike gets traded in the next 3.5 hours. The locker room is just fresh off dealing with the loss of Joe.

 

[LogGrad98]

I just wish we had taken JB with the #30th pick so he had a longer runway. With a two year deal you really have to get them on the court quickly to see what you have.

Quin already knows. If he is on the floor for one minute and gets a turnover and goes 1-3 from the floor, then obviously his per36 numbers are he will average 36 turnovers and 33% from the field. Do you really want to play a guy that will turn the ball over 36 times per game? No siree bob you do not. Quin is a genie.