Federal judge declares Utah polygamy law unconstitutional

[♪alt13]

Read it again. Where does it say you can legally marry two women now?

Way to go, Mr. Vocabulary.

Are you always this dim?

Decriminalized and legal don't mean the same thing!

 

[JimLes]

Decriminalized and legal don't mean the same thing!

Marriage and cohabitation are also two different things.

 

[♪alt13]

Marriage and cohabitation are also two different things.

Right, and his ruling throwing out the part of the law that makes cohabitation Illegal effectively decriminalizes plural marriage.

derp

 

[franklin]

I'm all for freedom of religion except cults like polygamy. I fully support federal agents setting up permanent shop inside polyg communities as an outlet for sister wives to escape through.

No problem with secular polyg/andry, or religious if it's not secluded from society.


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[JimLes]

Right, and his ruling throwing out the part of the law that makes cohabitation Illegal effectively decriminalizes plural marriage.

derp

Are you freaking stupid? Marriage is a legal contract into which you can currently only enter with one person at the time. Where in the **** does this article suggest that suddenly, you will not be prosecuted if you contract two legal marriages at the same time? The article says so itself:

Utah’s bigamy statute technically survived the ruling. However, Waddoups took a narrow interpretation of the words "marry" and "purports to marry," meaning that bigamy remains illegal only in the literal sense — when someone fraudulently acquires multiple marriage licences.

So, no, you cannot get married to two women at once. Not in the eyes of the law.

 

[LogGrad98]

Or two men. Maybe franklin wants to have a bro-ho.

 

[Stoked]

I'm all for freedom of religion except cults like polygamy. I fully support federal agents setting up permanent shop inside polyg communities as an outlet for sister wives to escape through.

No problem with secular polyg/andry, or religious if it's not secluded from society.


.02

I see where you're going and I tend to agree.

 

[One Brow]

Are you freaking stupid? ... So, no, you cannot get married to two women at once. Not in the eyes of the law.

I'm quite sure heyhey is aware that bigamy is still illegal. Do you appreciate the difference between "decriminalize" and "legalize", and why the former does not imply the latter?

 

[♪alt13]

I'm all for freedom of religion except cults like polygamy. I fully support federal agents setting up permanent shop inside polyg communities as an outlet for sister wives to escape through.

No problem with secular polyg/andry, or religious if it's not secluded from society.


.02

I think it's perfectly ok for people to seclude themselves from society. The problem is specific practices that some polygamist communities have engaged in. Statutory rape, intimidation, and abuse are things that should be prosecuted. Faith, consentual sex between adults, and just being weird should not be.

 

[franklin]

Or two men. Maybe franklin wants to have a bro-ho.

I hate mowing lawn, bro-ho

I think it's perfectly ok for people to seclude themselves from society. The problem is specific practices that some polygamist communities have engaged in. Statutory rape, intimidation, and abuse are things that should be prosecuted. Faith, consentual sex between adults, and just being weird should not be.

It's a judgment call. You could make the same argument for inbreeding bayou frog chasers, but the whole religious brainwashing thing kind of excludes these similar scenarios. Polyg communities require more or less...well, no less about it... women to give up their freedom, which is against the law as it now stands.

Freedom of religion is not carte blanch license to control others as your puppets.

 

[LogGrad98]

His Holiness our Beloved Shepherd and Prophet told me to tell you that controlling people as your puppets is just fine.

 

[♪alt13]

It's a judgment call. You could make the same argument for inbreeding bayou frog chasers, but the whole religious brainwashing thing kind of excludes these similar scenarios. Polyg communities require more or less...well, no less about it... women to give up their freedom, which is against the law as it now stands.

Freedom of religion is not carte blanch license to control others as your puppets.

I agree. I was just saying that seclusion from society is not in itself wrong. Many communities seclude themselves to one degree or another. People may chose to seclude themselves as a group but that does not always include brainwashing.

I mentioned intimidation and abuse in my original post to address brainwashing. Which I think is the real difference between a cult and religion.(brainwashing and faith) We cannot easily discern between the two in any legal sense, but we can prosecute people for some of the psychological tools used to brainwash people.