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December 30-January 7. 5 games played. All over 10 MP.

Lines (points, boards, blocks):

7-6-1
5-1-1
3-4-0
3-1-0
4-0-0


Averages 14.5 MP

4.5 PPG, 2.5 RPG, .5 BPG

When dude gets run, he consistently proves he isn't good NBA quality over and over. He has consistently proven he's a spot player who can be somewhat effective in certain matchups. And that's exactly how the coaching staff uses him.

Hell, he's hit the average player "gamer score" once.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
December 30-January 7. 5 games played. All over 10 MP.

Lines (points, boards, blocks):

7-6-1
5-1-1
3-4-0
3-1-0
4-0-0


Averages 14.5 MP

4.5 PPG, 2.5 RPG, .5 BPG

When dude gets run, he consistently proves he isn't good NBA quality over and over. He has consistently proven he's a spot player who can be somewhat effective in certain matchups. And that's exactly how the coaching staff uses him.

Hell, he's hit the average player "gamer score" once.
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A 5 game sample? Cmon, you're better than that. That's my whole point. The idea should have been to give Fes the backup 5 role with journeyman Elson coming in once he reasonably failed. 5 games is not failure. Right or wrong, Jerry had an issue with the kid.
 
billyshelby said:
A 5 game sample? Cmon, you're better than that. That's my whole point. The idea should have been to give Fes the backup 5 role with journeyman Elson coming in once he reasonably failed. 5 games is not failure. Right or wrong, Jerry had an issue with the kid.
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You look at ANY game he gets 10+ minutes, you're going to find the same pattern of box scores. You can't possibly believe that his box score would somehow be better if these 10+ MP games were connected over 25 games.

Why don't I post all his lines with over 10 minutes played. Why would it matter if those games were consecutive or not?
 
Darkwing Duck said:
You look at ANY game he gets 10+ minutes, you're going to find the same pattern of box scores. You can't possibly believe that his box score would somehow be better if these 10+ MP games were connected over 25 games.

Why don't I post all his lines with over 10 minutes played. Why would it matter if those games were consecutive or not?
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It would matter because I'm guessing half the games he played in over 10 minutes we got blown out and he got garbage minutes. It doesn't really matter because our arguments are different. You're basically saying the reason Fes didn't get a rotation job is because he sucked. I'm saying he didn't suck enough not to get a rotation job when the only guy blocking him was Elson. Elson should have been the backup plan to Fes getting consistent minutes.
 
Elson and Fesenko played often together early in the year. They both were backing up the PF and C spots. A four man rotation with them and and the two starters Millsap and Jefferson until Okur got back.

Game 1: Blowout Loss
Elson: 15:31 6-8-1
Fes: 11:09 2-0-0

Game 2: Blowout Loss
Elson: 4:21 2-1-0
Fesenko: 6:46 4-4-0

Game 3: Blowout Win
Neither played significant minutes and recorded no stats of note

Game 4: Blowout Win
Elson: 11:37 6-3-0
Fes: DNP

Game 5: Loss
Elson: 15:21 2-3-1
Fes: DNP

As you keep looking down the list, Fesenko will play games more, and Elson less, and then the cycle repeats. Neither player was outdoing the other. I don't see why you'd play Fesenko more than Elson given they're very similar. Elson is the better offensive player, Fesenko the better defensive player. I just don't see how giving all of Elson's minutes to Fesenko would make Fesenko any different of a player.
 
Darkwing Duck said:
Elson and Fesenko played often together early in the year. They both were backing up the PF and C spots. A four man rotation with them and and the two starters Millsap and Jefferson until Okur got back.

Game 1: Blowout Loss
Elson: 15:31 6-8-1
Fes: 11:09 2-0-0

Game 2: Blowout Loss
Elson: 4:21 2-1-0
Fesenko: 6:46 4-4-0

Game 3: Blowout Win
Neither played significant minutes and recorded no stats of note

Game 4: Blowout Win
Elson: 11:37 6-3-0
Fes: DNP

Game 5: Loss
Elson: 15:21 2-3-1
Fes: DNP

As you keep looking down the list, Fesenko will play games more, and Elson less, and then the cycle repeats. Neither player was outdoing the other. I don't see why you'd play Fesenko more than Elson given they're very similar. Elson is the better offensive player, Fesenko the better defensive player. I just don't see how giving all of Elson's minutes to Fesenko would make Fesenko any different of a player.
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The reasoning is one player has no chance to improve. Another player might. But he needs the chance play consistently for that to happen. And the strength of the player who can improve happens to be defense at a position of glaring need. We had everything to gain by giving the guy a regular job and little to lose.
 
Laker fan's have been running their mouth non stop lately about Bynum being the second coming of Christ. It was completely awesome to see Fess beat him up and take his lunch money.

Fesenko's impact on defense >>>>> Elson's impact on offense

Having said that, because of his offensive inabilities, I think it's hard to play him regular minutes. Just the same, I would have liked to have seen him used more in close games at the end when Utah was having a hard time getting stops.
 
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freakazoid said:
Laker fan's have been running their mouth non stop lately about Bynum being the second coming of Christ. It was completely awesome to see Fess beat him up and take his lunch money.

Fesenko's impact on defense >>>>> Elson's impact on offense

Having said that, because of his offensive inabilities, I think it's hard to play him regular minutes. Just the same, I would have liked to have seen him used more in close games at the end when Utah was having a hard time getting stops.
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Makes to much sense.
 
Fes is an enigma as you can tell from the wide range of the posters' comments. He actually played great in the first half. But what I think caused his performance to suffer as the game wore on was his conditioning. I noticed the speed with which he ran the floor became progressively slower.

There's no doubt he could be an impact player, but someone has to get this guy's attention. What if the Jazz sent him to Karl Malone. Maybe Karl could whip him into shape and show him how to use his body on offense under the basket ??? Maybe Karl could get Fes to start taking himself and basketball seriously.
 
write4u said:
Fes is an enigma as you can tell from the wide range of the posters' comments. He actually played great in the first half. But what I think caused his performance to suffer as the game wore on was his conditioning. I noticed the speed with which he ran the floor became progressively slower.

There's no doubt he could be an impact player, but someone has to get this guy's attention. What if the Jazz sent him to Karl Malone. Maybe Karl could whip him into shape and show him how to use his body on offense under the basket ??? Maybe Karl could get Fes to start taking himself and basketball seriously.
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It is very difficult to get into basketball shape when you don't play. He should have been playing at some point. Just to see what he is. Now he is probably gone and the Jazz will never know what he was or if he could have been a rotation guy.
 
Talking to a Laker fan "friend" of mine gave me a special appreciation for Fes and the game he played in the first half against LA.

He put Kobe on his ***, multiple times. My buddy was stunned, he said NO ONE has touched Kobe all season. He really respected Fes for his physical play.

Fes don't give a ****.
 
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