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Fiscal responsibility: suppose the govt "doesn't spend money it doesn't have."

From Coburn's 2011 Wastebook:

$30 million to help Pakistani Mango farmers: This was part of a four-year, $90 million effort to boost hiring and sales among Pakistani businesses funded through the U.S. Agency for International Development.

$765,828 for pancakes: Federal funding went to the Anacostia Economic Development Corp to build an International House of Pancake franchise (and train its workers) in an "underserved community." The underserved community, however, turned out to the a toney area of Washington D.C. - Columbia Heights, which is termed "one of Washington's more desirable neighborhoods."

$120 million in retirement and disability benefits to federal employees who have died: The Inspector General for the U.S. Office of Personnel management found that "the amount of post-death improper payments is consistently $100 million - $150 million annually, totaling over $601 million in the last five years."

$652,740 to create an Oklahoma "visitor's center": The scenic highway that runs from Talihina, Oklahoma to Mena, Ark., already has three visitor's centers, but this federal grant would create a fourth. The abandoned rock house that the government proposes to turn into a new visitor's center will cost more than 14 times the median value of a home in the area. That would be bad enough, but the Talimena Drive area is in good shape, while the rest of eastern Oklahoma's roads could use some serious attention. The area ranks 8th in the nation for its number of "structurally deficient" bridges.

$113,277 for video games: The International Center for the History of Electronic Games got the money to conduct a detailed conservation survey of video games.

$484,000 for pizza: A private developer was giving federal grant money to build Mellow Mushroom Pizza Bakers, an Arlington, Tx., outlet known for its tongue-in-cheek references to drug and hippie culture.

$100,000 for a celebrity chef show in Indonesia: The Washington State Fruit Commission asked for the grant to help promote their fruit and cooking recipes in "an emerging market." Can you spell "Boondoggle?"

$10 million for Pakistani Sesame Street: We must really love the Pakistanis. We must have a close and trusting relationship with the country that somehow managed to miss the fact that Osama bin Laden was living within spitting distance of a Pakistani military base for years. Because, after funding the Pakistani Mango growers, the government felt it needed to spend some time and money remaking big bird and the other Sesame Street characters into a show called "SimSim Humara" for the Pakistani market.

$550,000 for "Rockin' the Kremlin: A documentary on how rock and roll contributed to the end of the cold war.

$702,558 to bring television to Vietnamese villages: No, it wasn't just for the sitcoms. Researchers at Pennsylvania State University wanted to know how television affects family formation and reproductive health. So where better to study the problem than 14 remote Vietnamese villages, where the government paid to bring the t.v.s and gas generators, because, of course, these villages also don't have electric power?
 
That's what I've been talking about. Fix that stuff before asking me to pay more taxes.

Big middle finger up until then.
 
All that stuff added up to a cup of coffee per person...
I would agree with eliminating most of them.
Most of them did create jobs.
Many of them did have some public benefit,

but I agree money could be spent more intelligently
 
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All that stuff added up to a cup of coffee per person...
I would agree with eliminating most of them.
Most of them did create jobs.
Many of them did have some public benefit,

but I agree money could be spent more intelligently

Thanks.

Also, as far as the 'coffee cup per person' thing .. I hate that argument because it's not what it costs me as much as how badly someone else could have used it.
 
That's what I've been talking about. Fix that stuff before asking me to pay more taxes.

Big middle finger up until then.

The "waste" doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the corruption. There's a company building a sequestration plant down in Louisiana with American Recovery & Reinvestment Act funds with the express purpose of providing EOR medium to the oil industry. It's basically a subsidy for big oil (thanks Obama) & this company will skim a nice fee off the top. I'll also benefit from owning the stock & will likely never pay taxes on any of this, nor will the company due to some strategically placed accounting maneuvers.

This is the main reason I'm all for higher taxes. This stuff needs to be balanced out.
 
The "waste" doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as the corruption. There's a company building a sequestration plant down in Louisiana with American Recovery & Reinvestment Act funds with the express purpose of providing EOR medium to the oil industry. It's basically a subsidy for big oil (thanks Obama) & this company will skim a nice fee off the top. I'll also benefit from owning the stock & will likely never pay taxes on any of this, nor will the company due to some strategically placed accounting maneuvers.

This is the main reason I'm all for higher taxes. This stuff needs to be balanced out.

In my opinion, most of all the waste is due to corruption, so I agree. There is of course many, many that just don't give a damn enough to watch the dollars, but I believe there is usually at least something mildly sinister behind most of it. Not conspiracy-like, just abusive..
 
That's what I've been talking about. Fix that stuff before asking me to pay more taxes

You don't really believe that weas a fair assessment of the expenditures, do you?

For example, regarding the scientific studies, depending on the year only 25-50% of studies presented to the NSF/NIH get funded. Do you really think they waste money on stuff that's not important?
 
You don't really believe that weas a fair assessment of the expenditures, do you?

For example, regarding the scientific studies, depending on the year only 25-50% of studies presented to the NSF/NIH get funded. Do you really think they waste money on stuff that's not important?

Do I think that was a fair assessment? Holy hell, of course not. Do I think there is vast waste that could be wildly improved upon .. mountains of it.
 
In my opinion, most of all the waste is due to corruption, so I agree. There is of course many, many that just don't give a damn enough to watch the dollars, but I believe there is usually at least something mildly sinister behind most of it. Not conspiracy-like, just abusive..

Do I think that was a fair assessment? Holy hell, of course not. Do I think there is vast waste that could be wildly improved upon .. mountains of it.

all due respect, but it is really easy to say this kind of stuff. Especially today, when these kinds of phrases just roll off the tongue with mysterious ease.

It gets a lot harder to say this stuff if you clarify what counts as "money well spent," or justify expenditures that don't have clear bottom-dollar illustrations of value (and there are certainly many of these).

I'd be very curious to hear you open up a can of specific-whoop-*** on these kinds of details.
 
all due respect, but it is really easy to say this kind of stuff. Especially today, when these kinds of phrases just roll off the tongue with mysterious ease.

It gets a lot harder to say this stuff if you clarify what counts as "money well spent," or justify expenditures that don't have clear bottom-dollar illustrations of value (and there are certainly many of these).

I'd be very curious to hear you open up a can of specific-whoop-*** on these kinds of details.

I've been clear on this before, but I am not debating the merits of any particular program, yet. Let's just assume, for a moment, that ALL gov't funded programs are wise decisions (couldn't we all agree that that is a stretch??). I'm talking about what the government spends to get these programs off the ground and funded. The lack of accountability of those receiving the funds (are we getting our returns, whether it be information or whatever), how much do the multi-layers of unnecessary bureaucracy cost us in real dollars? How could we have better spent the 'extra?'

Some day soon I'll provide a dozen or so examples, real ones .. until then, just like you may find it silly that I think there is tons of wasted monies being spent, I think it is equally ridiculous to suggest there isn't.
 
Some day soon I'll provide a dozen or so examples, real ones .. until then, just like you may find it silly that I think there is tons of wasted monies being spent, I think it is equally ridiculous to suggest there isn't.

I agree you'll be able to find a lot a waste. The bigger the organization (public or private), the more waste you will find, and nothing is bigger than the US governemnt.
 
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