Following 2016 potential draftees

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not at the levels that Valentine can for his position. Denzel also has good size for his position Trey is too slight. I think Trey is a good backup in the league at some point and that may be what Valentine is. At 12 beggers can't be choosers.

What? Trey was player of the year as a Sophomore and did all those things at high level and willed his team to a National Championship game. People act like Trey is super small, but he measured 6'1 with a 6'6 wingspan which is about as average as you can get for a PG. His problem is that he has yet to learn to play at NBA speed and against NBA athleticism. The same problems Trey has run into could happen to Valentine.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jake-Layman-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5459

Jake Layman in the 2nd round please.

Really interested to see some official measurements on him. If he test out with a good wingspan I would be very intrigued. A lot of 3 and D potential. Could see him developing into a good role player.

*Also around 3:50 on the strengths portion he switches onto Denzel Valentine and Valentine is unable to get past him. That is the future of Denzel Valentine in the NBA*

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What? Trey was player of the year as a Sophomore and did all those things at high level and willed his team to a National Championship game. People act like Trey is super small, but he measured 6'1 with a 6'6 wingspan which is about as average as you can get for a PG. His problem is that he has yet to learn to play at NBA speed and against NBA athleticism. The same problems Trey has run into could happen to Valentine.

I thought it was a weird comparison and hate when we try to compare these guys to only Jazz players... It's kind of lazy.


Trey is average NBA size but very slight in his build. Denzel is average size for a SF as well but not as slight.

Comparing sophomore percentages they are comparable shooters. Comparing Denzel's last year to treys last year... Denzel is a better shooter. Valentine is a great rebounder for his position at 9 Rebs per 40... Trey was 3.5 which is adequate for a pg but not great. For his position... Denzel gets a ton of assists. Trey was good at getting assists as well. Not sure based on position who was better.

So basically I meant what I said Denzel did things a bit better in my opinion. I also think Trey is an NBA player and will find a home. I just think wings that can do things shoot pass and rebound will have a place in the league. There are guys I like better but people are acting like the guy will be horrible and it is a huge reach to take him. I like him and I'll stand by it.

This draft isn't great and when you consider our current roster a wing makes the best sense. I would be fine with them taking Chriss or someone similar but struggle to see how that guy sees the floor in the next 2-3 years. I also think we dismiss guys who's limitations we know and make mistakes betting on the unknowns like Korkmaz.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jake-Layman-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5459

Jake Layman in the 2nd round please.

Really interested to see some official measurements on him. If he test out with a good wingspan I would be very intrigued. A lot of 3 and D potential. Could see him developing into a good role player.

*Also around 3:50 on the strengths portion he switches onto Denzel Valentine and Valentine is unable to get past him. That is the future of Denzel Valentine in the NBA*

Or someone creates and kicks it out to him and he buries the three or pump fakes and drives. I doubt Valentine will be asked to be an Isi player in the league but no let's base it on one possession in a video.

 

[stitches]

Loko vs Barcelona Euroleague Playoff game on Watch ESPN. Doubtful any draft prospects will play though. Vezenkov could get a few minutes. Abrines also interesting more so in the fact that wish we could have gotten his rights in the Kanter trade. Also Tomic plays for Barca. Anthony Randolph is a guy you could see back in the NBA also Claver. Delaney i think is better than many backup PGs in the league.

Vezenkov can't get any minutes because of his defense and general lack of athleticism. Unfortunately he might indeed be a huge liability and close to undraftable at this point, which is a shame because even in Barcelona his offensive game is good. He's sporting a very healthy 62% TS%, 48%FG, 39% from 3 for the season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://www.draftexpress.com/article/Jake-Layman-NBA-Draft-Scouting-Report-and-Video-Breakdown-5459

Jake Layman in the 2nd round please.

Really interested to see some official measurements on him. If he test out with a good wingspan I would be very intrigued. A lot of 3 and D potential. Could see him developing into a good role player.

*Also around 3:50 on the strengths portion he switches onto Denzel Valentine and Valentine is unable to get past him. That is the future of Denzel Valentine in the NBA*

Also I wonder which game that was... Was it the first time they played or the second... He almost triple doubles both times and they won both games. But layman totally owned him... Layman scored 8 pts per on 25% shooting.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Or someone creates and kicks it out to him and he buries the three or pump fakes and drives. I doubt Valentine will be asked to be an Isi player in the league but no let's base it on one possession in a video.

I can find a lot of other video showing how bad Valentine is at driving. He had one of the worst 2pt% in college basketball among the top 80 prospects in the draft, gets to the FT line at one of the lowest rates, and can't finish at the rim. His future in the NBA seems to be delegated to being a good 3pt shooter who can make the right pass. It's not like he has Hood's ability to create midrange looks and convert at a high rate.

Denzel Valentine is going to be like Joe Ingles IMO.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also I wonder which game that was... Was it the first time they played or the second... He almost triple doubles both times and they won both games. But layman totally owned him... Layman scored 8 pts per on 25% shooting.

His usage rate is so high stats come to him no matter what. Even in his no-show game vs Middle Tennessee in the NCAA Tourney he almost had a triple double.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I can find a lot of other video showing how bad Valentine is at driving. He had one of the worst 2pt% in college basketball among the top 80 prospects in the draft, gets to the FT line at one of the lowest rates, and can't finish at the rim. His future in the NBA seems to be delegated to being a good 3pt shooter who can make the right pass. It's not like he has Hood's ability to create midrange looks and convert at a high rate.

Denzel Valentine is going to be like Joe Ingles IMO.

That's a better comp but he will be able to do everything Ingles does but better... Better shooter, better passer, and much better rebounder. When Joe shoots 40% from three we are really good and he is valuable. If we got that out of the 12th pick I'm happy. I think he has a little mor potential than that but that's kind of his floor.

 

[The Midnight]

I can find a lot of other video showing how bad Valentine is at driving. He had one of the worst 2pt% in college basketball among the top 80 prospects in the draft, gets to the FT line at one of the lowest rates, and can't finish at the rim. His future in the NBA seems to be delegated to being a good 3pt shooter who can make the right pass. It's not like he has Hood's ability to create midrange looks and convert at a high rate.

Denzel Valentine is going to be like Joe Ingles IMO.

Denzel Valentine reminds me of Royce White.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That's a better comp but he will be able to do everything Ingles does but better... Better shooter, better passer, and much better rebounder. When Joe shoots 40% from three we are really good and he is valuable. If we got that out of the 12th pick I'm happy. I think he has a little mor potential than that but that's kind of his floor.

Yeah, but the transition from high usage star to 4-8 shot per game role player is a difficult transition and not one a lot of players can do.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Denzel Valentine reminds me of Royce White.

LMAO the only comp is they are both light skinned and stocky.