Following potential 2012 draftees

[Dr. Jones]

Thanks for sharing. I know you've said a lot about D.Miller, but it's hard to go back and find things in this sprawling thread... so, can you project what kind of NBA player he is going to be? What about his defense? I think the draft express writeups on this kid are pretty poor.

thanks, as always.

He is a SF. 6'7/6'8 235lbs.
50% 3pt shooter (after his first two weeks this season) ... excellent shooter/scorer.
Fantastic teammate/intangibles.
Excellent handles, good vision. (plays all 5 positions for UK)
Downside is he's too unselfish which adds an element of passive to his game. He's got a GREAT motor, but yields to his teammates too much.
Averaging 13pts per game in the NCAA tourney as the 6th man, behind MKG.

 

[NAOS]

He is a SF. 6'7/6'8 235lbs.
50% 3pt shooter (after his first two weeks this season) ... excellent shooter/scorer.
Fantastic teammate/intangibles.
Excellent handles, good vision. (plays all 5 positions for UK)
Downside is he's too unselfish which adds an element of passive to his game. He's got a GREAT motor, but yields to his teammates too much.
Averaging 13pts per game in the NCAA tourney as the 6th man, behind MKG.

so, neither you nor DX emphasize his ability as a defender. He has the physical profile to be a good defender... do you think he'll realize that?

 

[Dr. Jones]

so, neither you nor DX emphasize his ability as a defender. He has the physical profile to be a good defender... do you think he'll realize that?

Sorry .. he is definitely a good defender. He can defend (at the college level) all 5 positions. He defends pg's and C's depending on matchups. He's the best athlete on the team and is hard-nosed .. the only reason he's not lottery is the desire to be THE man. He loves and embraces the glue-guy role. NO matter what anyone says to the contrary .. this is correct. I know the difference between what I 'know I know' and what I 'think I know.'

 

[NUMBERICA]

If Darius Miller plays great defense, can spread the floor, is a glue guy, and he's available in the 2nd, then you draft him. You can never have too many guys like that.

 

[NAOS]

Sorry .. he is definitely a good defender. He can defend (at the college level) all 5 positions. He defends pg's and C's depending on matchups. He's the best athlete on the team and is hard-nosed .. the only reason he's not lottery is the desire to be THE man. He loves and embraces the glue-guy role. NO matter what anyone says to the contrary .. this is correct. I know the difference between what I 'know I know' and what I 'think I know.'

If this is true (and I trust you), then his stock is going to rise. I'm reminded of Jimmy Butler going at the end of the first round. I'd be ****ing stoked to get this guy based on this evaluation. He sounds like a good fit.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Darius Miller bears a strong resemblance in style and context to Danny Green three years ago. He might be a fringe player for a while, but the role adjustment for him won't really be there and I like guys like that.

 

[Qman]

Wrong.

If he is a great player why did Miss St go to the NIT? They were talented enough easily to be an NCAA team. As you describe his talent and skills he should be a dominate player. But in reality he is a very good role player. Why would that change?

You referenced Millsap as a similar player. Millsap averaged 35 minutes, 19.6 ppg and 13.3 rpg in his last college season. He never averaged less than 12.4 rpg in college. Millsap is/was a bull of a player- 6'7" and 250 to 260.

Moultrie has averaged 8.2, 6.7 and 10.5 rpg. His 6'11" and 220-230 depending on the source you believe. He is likely to be overpowered at the NBA unlike Millsap.

In other words Millsap's worst season rebounding was much better than Moultrie's best. Sometimes the 'eyeball' test for effort and motor doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree it is possible that Moultrie could develop his offensive game, but that is expection not the norm. But it is very unlikely that he becomes a much better rebounder. And for a 6'11" great athlete .8 bpg is underwhelming. He able to hedge on ball screens is a valuable skill. But nothing about his stats scream star player in the making.

Note if you go the pace adjusted per 40 minutes- Moultrie's rebounding suffers even worse by comparison.

 

[Dr. Jones]

^^^ Don't know what type of player Moultrie will be in the NBA, but the biggest thing he, Bost, and Hood have going for them is they've yet to be well coached. Stansbury is an f'n joke.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

According to hoopshype.com, Beal hasn't decided if he will enter the draft or not. PKM do you have any indication where Beal in leaning?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If he is a great player why did Miss St go to the NIT? They were talented enough easily to be an NCAA team. As you describe his talent and skills he should be a dominate player. But in reality he is a very good role player. Why would that change?

You referenced Millsap as a similar player. Millsap averaged 35 minutes, 19.6 ppg and 13.3 rpg in his last college season. He never averaged less than 12.4 rpg in college. Millsap is/was a bull of a player- 6'7" and 250 to 260.

Moultrie has averaged 8.2, 6.7 and 10.5 rpg. His 6'11" and 220-230 depending on the source you believe. He is likely to be overpowered at the NBA unlike Millsap.

In other words Millsap's worst season rebounding was much better than Moultrie's best. Sometimes the 'eyeball' test for effort and motor doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree it is possible that Moultrie could develop his offensive game, but that is expection not the norm. But it is very unlikely that he becomes a much better rebounder. And for a 6'11" great athlete .8 bpg is underwhelming. He able to hedge on ball screens is a valuable skill. But nothing about his stats scream star player in the making.

Note if you go the pace adjusted per 40 minutes- Moultrie's rebounding suffers even worse by comparison.

1. Millsap played at Louisiania Tech, which is in a much easier conference than the SEC.
2. Yes, MSU royally ****ed up by not making the NCAA. They had every chance to do it, but failed too. Their team chemistry was poor and suffered greatly from it.
3. I never said "star", I said he could be a 3-time All-Star.
4. I'm not campaigning we draft him. Though, if we do decide to go big man with any our picks, I would take him over PJ3 or any other available big that is projected to be available past the 8th pick.
5. Alec Burks was really talented, why Colorado go to the NIT his final year?
6. Strength is not a concern for Moultrie. His hustle, speed, and athletic ability make up for strength (and he isn't even weak, he can hold his own against PF's in the NBA).

 

[orangello]

I don't know .. I like that situation better than having a below-average guy handling the ball every possession. Ideally, I would like an elite PG, obviously .. but if we can't get one, we need perimeter shooting and wings that can handle the ball.

I am becoming more and more convinced that you draft BPA and you make adjustments to the style of team play with the roster that you have. At 8-12 I feel like Lillard and Marshall and even Rivers are a stretch. If Beal or another SG is the BPA when the Jazz draft then I would rather see that happen then reaching for a PG that we hope to be elite.

Would that translates into is the possibility that you don't have a superior ball-handler on the floor but that you have talent on the floor. That might also mean that the Jazz might not even have a ***gasp*** pg on the floor but three wing players that can handle the ball and can all run the offense if they need to.

I certainly like the idea of having a PG on the floor that is elite but I would still rather see BPA happen and make adjustments through trade of style of play.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Another thing for Moultire, he greatly improved his FT and 3pt shooting his sophomore year to his junior year. Great sign of his work ethic.


65% to 78% for FT's

and

22% to 44% for 3's.