Following potential 2014 draftees

[Dr. Jones]

I agree, Numb. I so love MKG.. and I find it almost unfair he was taken #2.. but he's not going to be much more than a glue guy that rallies a team to practice harder, believe more, play tougher.. to a few more wins each year.

The UK guys I've hyped; Wall, Cousins, Kanter, Davis, DMiller (in the 2nd round)..
Those I was kind of on the fence; Knight, Lamb (though his lack of athleticism is a concern), Patterson, MKG (other than the intangibles .. I hyped the **** outta those).
Those I didn't like; Teague, Orton, Goodwin, Poythress

I'm also not convinced Noel can do much..

 

[BTP]

I think Charlotte is okay for MKG...With Zeller they have a player at another position who'll stretch the floor a little. That should compensate for MKG's lacking jumpshot. If I through the draft again, I see 3 guys who retrospective should have been taken earlier from that point(can change over the course of next season ofc) Bradley Beal, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond. Beal was slightly undersized and Charlotte had Henderson already whom they liked, Lillard had that small school asterisk and Drummond had character red flags if I'm not mistaken. So it's okay I guess. If MKG entered this year's draft, he'd have been the 3rd youngest player behind Goodwin, Noel and 1 week older than Schröder to put that into perspective. If we comepare him this year to the peers his age, I think he doesn't look that bad any longer.
Even if he doesn't develop that shot he'll still have a roster spot on teams that have outside shooting on the big positions and he can look for other ways to score. Faceup game from midrange, back to the basket game. And if all fails having a high energy guy who cleans the boards and plays hard defense isn't that bad either. I like MKG!

@PKM out of your hype list none has made an all-NBA team or allstar game yet! When's that going to change? I btw don't remember you giving Goodwin a hard time. All I remember is: Tremendous upside, but very raw and major questionmarks in his game.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I think Charlotte is okay for MKG...With Zeller they have a player at another position who'll stretch the floor a little. That should compensate for MKG's lacking jumpshot. If I through the draft again, I see 3 guys who retrospective should have been taken earlier from that point(can change over the course of next season ofc) Bradley Beal, Damian Lillard and Andre Drummond. Beal was slightly undersized and Charlotte had Henderson already whom they liked, Lillard had that small school asterisk and Drummond had character red flags if I'm not mistaken. So it's okay I guess. If MKG entered this year's draft, he'd have been the 3rd youngest player behind Goodwin, Noel and 1 week older than Schröder to put that into perspective. If we comepare him this year to the peers his age, I think he doesn't look that bad any longer.
Even if he doesn't develop that shot he'll still have a roster spot on teams that have outside shooting on the big positions and he can look for other ways to score. Faceup game from midrange, back to the basket game. And if all fails having a high energy guy who cleans the boards and plays hard defense isn't that bad either. I like MKG!

@PKM out of your hype list none has made an all-NBA team or allstar game yet! When's that going to change? I btw don't remember you giving Goodwin a hard time. All I remember is: Tremendous upside, but very raw and major questionmarks in his game.

Of those players I mentioned none have been in the league more than two or three years and most only spent one year of college. Patience..

Also, I wasn't meaning to hype myself in that post.. just set the record straight.

As to Goodwin... during the season I said (here) that he's an '*** clown' .. I said I 'hope' he goes pro... I said his shot is flat as ****..
You are right that I also said there's some things he does well.....

It's important to note that people who follow recruiting from early on will change their opinion not only based on the current play, but on the changing mocks..
For example, I hated Goodwin when he was being mocked top 10.... when he was suddenly being mocked 2nd round I loved his him.. Get me?

 

[BTP]

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Of those players I mentioned none have been in the league more than two or three years and most only spent one year of college. Patience..

Also, I wasn't meaning to hype myself in that post.. just set the record straight.

As to Goodwin... during the season I said (here) that he's an '*** clown' .. I said I 'hope' he goes pro... I said his shot is flat as ****..
You are right that I also said there's some things he does well.....

It's important to note that people who follow recruiting from early on will change their opinion not only based on the current play, but on the changing mocks..
For example, I hated Goodwin when he was being mocked top 10.... when he was suddenly being mocked 2nd round I loved his him.. Get me?

I actually rather wanted to have your prediction when to expect an Calpari allstar than to give you a hard time that it didn't happen yet. Out of his Memphis crew only Rose has developed into a superstar...
I guess since I wasn't following this board before the draftprocess began I haven't seen those changes in your Goodwin evaluation. Only what you said right at the end. But have you seen him play in the games or just the highlights? I have seen most of the games and I have to say I see him right in the top 7 of rookies that I've been impressed with. His release point is high enough, consistent, shooting form isn't flat anymore. He must have enjoyed some good individual training after the Kentucky 1st round NIT exit. His body looks NBA ready too. Maybe he can add a couple lbs of useful muscle but that's about it. If he continues to work on his handle I see him scoring in multiple ways. And at his age he doesn't need a midrange game yet. How do you like his defense?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

OT: Another very good game for Archie Goodwin today. 20 pts in 27 minutes, 5-5 fg, 2-2 on threes, 8-10 fts, 3 reb, 2 ast and 2 blocks. He is definitely shutting me up so far.* Maybe he just needed better players around him.

In the days leading up to the draft I really wanted Goodwin with the 21st pick. He's very young, athletic, and very skilled. I think he should've been picked much earlier then he was. Don't think he was exactly set up to succeed at UK.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I actually rather wanted to have your prediction when to expect an Calpari allstar than to give you a hard time that it didn't happen yet. Out of his Memphis crew only Rose has developed into a superstar...
I guess since I wasn't following this board before the draftprocess began I haven't seen those changes in your Goodwin evaluation. Only what you said right at the end. But have you seen him play in the games or just the highlights? I have seen most of the games and I have to say I see him right in the top 7 of rookies that I've been impressed with. His release point is high enough, consistent, shooting form isn't flat anymore. He must have enjoyed some good individual training after the Kentucky 1st round NIT exit. His body looks NBA ready too. Maybe he can add a couple lbs of useful muscle but that's about it. If he continues to work on his handle I see him scoring in multiple ways. And at his age he doesn't need a midrange game yet. How do you like his defense?

Archie can be a very very good defender. Let me also say this.. to begin the season last year he was on fire, hit everything, and I was here saying the kid could go as high as #1 if he kept it up... then his shot stopped falling, completely, and he started to really force everything..and looked beyond awful. Fans wanted him benched but Cal supporter him saying he does everything asked of him, goes all out on every play, and has the heart of a lion..
I guess my point is I truly hope his shot keeps falling.

 

[Dr. Jones]

In the days leading up to the draft I really wanted Goodwin with the 21st pick. He's very young, athletic, and very skilled. I think he should've been picked much earlier then he was. Don't think he was exactly set up to succeed at UK.

No player was... the lack of a serviceable PG was apparent with Archie, Poythress, Noel.. everyone.
I've mentioned it here before, but Calipari has said it was a HUGE mistake on his part to assume Teague would be back.. when he had the monster run to the national title he felt it was time to enter the draft... as he should have.... but it really screwed up the team last year not having even a decent PG..

 

[PJKino]

OT: Another very good game for Archie Goodwin today. 20 pts in 27 minutes, 5-5 fg, 2-2 on threes, 8-10 fts, 3 reb, 2 ast and 2 blocks. He is definitely shutting me up so far.* Maybe he just needed better players around him.

I always felt Archies game was much more suited for the pros then college and even though hes extremely raw that with his potential he was definitely worth taking somewhere in the first round..

The college game has now become a micro managed grind it out slow it down ugly game where the coaches dont let the players have any freedom at all

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

OT: Another very good game for Archie Goodwin today. 20 pts in 27 minutes, 5-5 fg, 2-2 on threes, 8-10 fts, 3 reb, 2 ast and 2 blocks. He is definitely shutting me up so far.* Maybe he just needed better players around him.

The fact that Phoenix is the only team trying to win in Las Vegas might be helping him also. They have 3 third players out there (all who have been starters), a 2nd year player, and himself starting every game. Their talent level is way higher than every other team just because everyone else has already pulled their guys out.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I agree, Numb. I so love MKG.. and I find it almost unfair he was taken #2.. but he's not going to be much more than a glue guy that rallies a team to practice harder, believe more, play tougher.. to a few more wins each year.

The UK guys I've hyped; Wall, Cousins, Kanter, Davis, DMiller (in the 2nd round)..
Those I was kind of on the fence; Knight, Lamb (though his lack of athleticism is a concern), Patterson, MKG (other than the intangibles .. I hyped the **** outta those).
Those I didn't like; Teague, Orton, Goodwin, Poythress

I'm also not convinced Noel can do much..

I just think MKG needed a certain kind of system to be good.

Charlotte is not moving toward that kind of system at all. He needs to be a small ball PF on an up tempo team. The only problem is that most teams who want small ball also want players who can shoot, so MKG is kind of screwed.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Archie is also shooting a blazing 78% from 3 during SL. So a huge part of me is feeling that his performance is somewhat flukey, especially since his ****ting FT shooting is still happening.

I have faith that he will be good though, like a Burks kind of guy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Of those players I mentioned none have been in the league more than two or three years and most only spent one year of college. Patience..

Also, I wasn't meaning to hype myself in that post.. just set the record straight.

As to Goodwin... during the season I said (here) that he's an '*** clown' .. I said I 'hope' he goes pro... I said his shot is flat as ****..
You are right that I also said there's some things he does well.....

It's important to note that people who follow recruiting from early on will change their opinion not only based on the current play, but on the changing mocks..
For example, I hated Goodwin when he was being mocked top 10.... when he was suddenly being mocked 2nd round I loved his him.. Get me?

Basically none of the UK guys have been able to turn a team around at all. None are super-stars. The one who is actually really great (Cousins) is a giant child.

Wall is pretty good, but is a notch below the upper-tier PG's.

Davis might be really good, but signs early say he is going to have injury problems.

MKG is average. Teague is a backup.

Terrance Jones might prove to be a good starter this year.


None of them are going to be All-Stars anytime soon unless Cousins matures or Derrick Rose gets injured again.