Following potential 2014 draftees

[The Midnight]

Debatable, but I guess it is how you define "sleeper" Look at 2009 so you have some history/ data on players. Curry was 7 (as much of a sleeper as Lillard was at 6), Derozan 9, Jrue 17, Teague 19, Taj Gibson 26. All preceded by far inferior players. No way to predict NBA success, but I agree scouting and analytics have improved team's ability to predict.

2010 produced 40th pick Lance Stephenson....

This.


There will always be guys who are "hungry" enough to get better and thrive in their new environment. For them, the NBA isn't the goal, it's the start line.

 

[BTP]

Debatable, but I guess it is how you define "sleeper" Look at 2009 so you have some history/ data on players. Curry was 7 (as much of a sleeper as Lillard was at 6), Derozan 9, Jrue 17, Teague 19, Taj Gibson 26. All preceded by far inferior players. No way to predict NBA success, but I agree scouting and analytics have improved team's ability to predict.

2010 produced 40th pick Lance Stephenson....

This.


There will always be guys who are "hungry" enough to get better and thrive in their new environment. For them, the NBA isn't the goal, it's the start line.

I thought we were talking superstar top30 player in the league potential.
And then this would limit it to Curry and DeRozan, which were in the same range as Lillard BUT 2009 was still the time when isolation hero ball was expiring on most franchises.(Kobe was finals MVP that year...)

I'm btw not disagreeing, just putting it into context.

And most executives that opened up publicly about their luck or mistakes admitted they didn't expect that amount of success out of the individuals they took a chance on.

 

[The Midnight]

I thought we were talking superstar top30 player in the league potential.
And then this would limit it to Curry and DeRozan, which were in the same range as Lillard BUT 2009 was still the time when isolation hero ball was expiring on most franchises.(Kobe was finals MVP that year...)

I'm btw not disagreeing, just putting it into context.

And most executives that opened up publicly about their luck or mistakes admitted they didn't expect that amount of success out of the individuals they took a chance on.

Bryan Colangelo say what you will about him as a GM, he has a very good eye for talent picking Shawn Marion and Stoudemire both with the 9th overall pick.


I would say those are definitely diamond in the rough type picks.

 

[BTP]

Bryan Colangelo say what you will about him as a GM, he has a very good eye for talent picking Shawn Marion and Stoudemire both with the 9th overall pick.


I would say those are definitely diamond in the rough type picks.

A decade ago when the internet was run by 56k modem which made sounds like when you work on metal with another metal tool and 1 gigabyte was huge data storage

Also I'd argue that Shawn Marion was a superstar. He's a very valuable complimentary player.

 

[Game6Conley]

'Diamond in the rough' is not an idiom that applies to lottery picks, these players are well known commodities by draft time

Amare Stoudemire was the #1 player in his Highschool class theres nothing 'diamond in the rough' about that

 

[Dr. Jones]

Undersized tweener. you know all about that don't ya.

Is tweener code for penis?

 

[The Midnight]

'Diamond in the rough' is not an idiom that applies to lottery picks, these players are well known commodities by draft time

Amare Stoudemire was the #1 player in his Highschool class theres nothing 'diamond in the rough' about that

So why was he the 9th pick?



MCW to me was somewhat a diamond in the rough last year since he was clearly missed by lots of teams (and most of JazzFanz). If we were to re-do that draft, pretty sure he goes #1 no questions asked.

 

[BTP]

I'm getting all confused. I thought we were talking about player whose performance justifies a $20M paycheck, not a $10M in his prime years only with max 2 all star appearances.

 

[orangello]

So why was he the 9th pick?



MCW to me was somewhat a diamond in the rough last year since he was clearly missed by lots of teams (and most of JazzFanz). If we were to re-do that draft, pretty sure he goes #1 no questions asked.

I think that MCW will take a step back next season.

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[The Midnight]

I'm getting all confused. I thought we were talking about player whose performance justifies a $20M paycheck, not a $10M in his prime years only with max 2 all star appearances.

We're talking about not going through the motion of just selecting who the consensus player is for that particular pick, but looking deeper into who can be a game changer player for your franchise.

 

[Game6Conley]

Brook Lopez wasn't a diamond in the rough at #9 overall, he was the best C on the board.

Gilbert Arenas, Monta Ellis, DeAndre Jordan, Nikola Pekovic, Isaiah Thomas are diamonds in the rough.

the lottery is not 'the rough' its just that simple, your guaranteed over 3million dollars as a lottery pick, even if you pull a Royce White.

 

[BTP]

We're talking about not going through the motion of just selecting who the consensus player is for that particular pick, but looking deeper into who can be a game changer player for your franchise.

So MCW is a game changer in your opinion who's deserving a $20M paycheck w/o getting keep getting 'em checks remarks from Jalen Rose?