Following potential 2014 draftees

[orangello]

BTW, if we take Smart, then I hope they try to package Burke and #23 for something awesome.

Cuz I'd start

Smart/Burks/Hayward/Favors/Kanter

I love HUGE too.

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[orangello]

Nah I don't think that's a good lineup.



Smart & Burks = The free throw Brothers.

Fixed.


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[♪alt13]

I'll have some of whatever you're smoking.

Powdered bones of Irish children

 

[orangello]

Check burks 3 pt percentage vs haywards first.

Get back to me after checking it out

I'm a Fish lover too but I thought that was public knowledge.

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[orangello]

So who is out stopper in this scenario? Not a fan of dumping favors and 5 for a prospect. Like him or hate him, favors is a developing big with athleticism that is very hard to come by

Gobert?

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[Stifle Tower]

PG - 48 mins a night
SG - 48 mins a night
SF - 15 mins a night

Some simple third grade math gets you 111 mins a night for Burke, Smart, Hayward, Burks. That evens out to 28 mins per player. IDEAL. Toss in some night with foul trouble, matchups, off nights, whatever.

Or, hell, give Hayward 20 mins a night at SF instead of 15. Essentially 30 mins a night for each one. Problem solved. That still leaves 28 mins a night for another SF to come in and produce.

HOLY ****. IT WORKS.

Yeah, what about Burks.....unreal.

I'm going to throw a wrench in your minutes. Remove Hayward and the SF minutes since Gordon is the ONLY one of the 4 who can play SF.
Now you have 96 minutes to split between the 3. OK, that's perfect, right? We have a 3-man rotation with each one getting about 32 mins.

During some stretches, you will have Burke and Smart on the court together. That's a recipe for disaster: 1) neither can shoot; 2) they're both midgets if you have that lineup (Burks at PG; Smart at SG).

 

[fishonjazz]

PG - 48 mins a night
SG - 48 mins a night
SF - 15 mins a night

Some simple third grade math gets you 111 mins a night for Burke, Smart, Hayward, Burks. That evens out to 28 mins per player. IDEAL. Toss in some night with foul trouble, matchups, off nights, whatever.

Or, hell, give Hayward 20 mins a night at SF instead of 15. Essentially 30 mins a night for each one. Problem solved. That still leaves 28 mins a night for another SF to come in and produce.

HOLY ****. IT WORKS.

Yeah, what about Burks.....unreal.

Ya cause a coach would do exactly what you are saying.

Everything just always works out because of math

 

[Game6Conley]

Worked with thousands of athletes at every level and never seen that. Athletes who work their *** off in the Gym and are highly motivated in their workouts are always players with heart when they play. They might not be good but if someone is motivated enough to work their *** off in the gym then putting their heart on the field or court every play is the easy part.

Noah's work ethic has been described as 'Indefatigable'

there's a bunch of stories... he really was playing pick-up basketball all the time, when he wasnt in school or at practice he was in the gym basically.

i dont think too many Highschool Prep stars walk a mile to work out at the local YMCA regularly.

"He'd close the building down, leave here in a ball of sweat," said Clint Clay, sports director at the Haverhill Y.

his AAU coach said Noah would call him constantly to open the gym beyond his normal practice routine, sometimes 2 times a day

"I think in your career of coaching elite-level guys, everybody has something," Pastore said. "Some guys are great workers, some are great athletes, some are high-, high-character kids. Some are very intelligent. Noah is the one guy I've had in my career that had everything. "Noah has it all."

“Have you shaken his hand yet? Go shake his hand. It’s as hard as a catcher’s mitt. And usually when a kid’s hands are like that, you don’t have the touch. But he defies everything.”

Once he made the switch to New Hampton Prep in New Hampshire, Vonleh still used his old high school for workouts. Haverhill coach Mike Trovato remembered gathering his team one day to drive to a summer league game, when he heard noise coming from Haverhill's gym.

"I see the door open ... and there's Noah," Trovato said. "It was literally 97 degrees in that gym."

"The type of way he's driven, I don't think a lot of people have that," said his cousin, Jeremie Jackley. "This dude, he goes to bed dreaming about it."

Jackley recalled a two-on-two pickup game where Noah, 12 at the time, was his teammate — and much younger than Jackley and their opponents. The other team smirked at the kid, then watched him drop a string of baskets to win.

"This is the golden child," Jackley recalled telling them. "Just remember that."

"Noah didn't talk no smack, no trash," Jackley said. "He was just the humble kid he is today. He just let his game talk.

"It's almost like he looks at it like, 'I was put on this earth to do this. There's no need for me to be boastful.' "

He isn't colorful in media interviews, either. Vonleh recalled being introduced to basketball by his cousins, including Jackley.

"I just wanted to be like them," he said.

“He’s always in the gym,” Pastore said. “I’m sure the Indiana coaches will be saying, ‘He’s back for more. A lot of kids, when they get to 16, other things take over in their life. Noah’s 17 and still the gym would be his first love. I think you’ll see Noah using most of his free time to get in the gym and try to get better.”

 

[green]

Ya cause a coach would do exactly what you are saying.

Everything just always works out because of math

Huh?

 

[green]

If Noah's ceiling is so high, and he works harder/more than anyone else, and his measurables so great, why isn't he the #1 pick?

The more I delve into Randle, Noah and Gordon, the better Smart looks.

And that kinda sucks.

 

[Doublea]

I'm going to throw a wrench in your minutes. Remove Hayward and the SF minutes since Gordon is the ONLY one of the 4 who can play SF.
Now you have 96 minutes to split between the 3. OK, that's perfect, right? We have a 3-man rotation with each one getting about 32 mins.

During some stretches, you will have Burke and Smart on the court together. That's a recipe for disaster: 1) neither can shoot; 2) they're both midgets if you have that lineup (Burks at PG; Smart at SG).

Worked pretty well with the suns.

 

[BTP]

Maybe I'm trying to convince myself that this will happen but I believe that one of the consensus top 4 will be available at 5 come draft night.

I don't know who it will be but I can easily see a team falling in love with one of the PF's or Smart.

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I don't foresee Orlando Philly doing that.

I see that comp... but he will never have KG's fire and will.

There's guys that are more introverted with their mouth. Says nothing about his demeanor. And if there's a veteran pecking order on a team that's being supported by the coach he'd have looked worse by not passing, forcing isos and displaying bad teamplay, unless he somehow was already that advanced that he could have made superstar contributions. But that's unrealistic.

What would it take for Vonleh to move to SF. Improve his handle and lateral quickness?

Ask KKK. He's the specialist for that position!(I wouldn't move him to the perimeter in almost every matchup - But having him improve lateral quickness, footspeed and running screens may make him capable of putting length on KD in the future)

On the other topic, I think Favors + 5 might get you Parker at #3, but not Embiid. Philly might even throw in #10, but I doubt it.

Philly won't want Favors. Too old for their development curve. Orlando though, might! Would make keeping Vucevic easier if you pair him with Favors and have Harris as quality 6th man for court stretching reasons. They'll target Exum and Embiid.

Check burks 3 pt percentage vs haywards first.

Get back to me after checking it out

Burks .35 career on 280 attempts
Hayward .365 career on 769 attempts

And I bet as soon as we start measuring difference to league avg from specific spots and differentiate between C&S and off the dribble and stuff we'll see other favorable stats for Gordon.

^like I said, ridiculous upside, but I worry about the heart.

If PGAB's Disneyland story is 50% true, then I don't have worries. Many great leaders in the history of the game who lead by example. Most recent are 2 7 footer playing for Texas teams.