Following potential 2014 draftees

[Harcher]

I think you are forgetting one thing about Gordon, he works his butt off while AK never did. I think it is a toss up and I would be happy with either player, however I think I would go with Gordon. When two players are basically the same level then I look at positional need.

His intangebles are highly rated, which gives me hope for his improve ment. Gordon was also all over the court with hustle and fight in him which is a great sign. I realize there are a lot of people who have overcome shooting troubles, but has anyone ever come from where AG is at this point?

 

[Stifle Tower]

im not sold that hes always going to be this 'under the rim' player, with that type of vertical at 18 and his body type, if the Jazz were to send him to p3 every summer, you couldnt tell me that he wouldnt be improving yearly. compared to Gordon, sure hes not that type of jumper, but at 247lbs, 37" inches is enough of a jump, thats not BS, he can jump, I always predicted he would best 36"... Burks didnt always show that vertical in-game, but in year 3 we saw more of it, i could see that being the case with Vonleh.

Great analysis, PG_AB.
After seeing how much emphasis the Jazz have placed on players going to P3, and the results from all that work, I'm not convinced it's the best use of their time. How many games were lost due to a player not leaping one inch higher? Yes, maybe there's a time or two a player just manages tipping a ball with his fingers or gets a rebound just out of the reach of another player. But the jazz lost games because a) they couldn't shoot and b) they didn't play defense. Those are the things the players need to be working on.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

All the nit-picking on Vonleh's game is proof of how good he could be. Where as there are real concerns to why we shouldn't pick Gordon at 5.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Stifle Tower]

All the nit-picking on Vonleh's game is proof of how good he could be. Where as there are real concerns to why we shouldn't pick Gordon at 5.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I find it interesting everyone is hoping Vonleh's stock rises and makes Jabari fall. Yes, Parker, the guy whose position isn't even a given. Is he a PF? Umm, no....because we want to plug him in next to Kanter and Favors. So we have a SF who has the lateral speed of a sloth. Jabari is going to be Boozer, Part Deux. Great offensive numbers, can't guard a cardboard cutout.

 

[Bodhi]

His intangebles are highly rated, which gives me hope for his improve ment. Gordon was also all over the court with hustle and fight in him which is a great sign. I realize there are a lot of people who have overcome shooting troubles, but has anyone ever come from where AG is at this point?

I'm genuinely wondering the same thing. Who was the last athletic freak with no discernible offensive game out of college that went on to become an all-star? Admittedly I haven't put too much thought into it so do the work for me.

Basically, when was the last time a kid like AG panned out?

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

His intangebles are highly rated, which gives me hope for his improve ment. Gordon was also all over the court with hustle and fight in him which is a great sign. I realize there are a lot of people who have overcome shooting troubles, but has anyone ever come from where AG is at this point?

I'm sure he will improve, but his offense is so bad, that I don't see him ever being much more then average. He needs work to get to AK's level. And unless he's Karl Malone great I don't ever see him becoming even level with Favors at the ft line. He's a bit of a liability on offense and always will be. Not worth the fith pick.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Game6Conley]

Basically, when was the last time a kid like AG panned out?

this is something ive been trying to figure out, obviously its not critical to his success but i think its nice to see some historical reference. when you limit the search to top 5 picks, MKG, Jeff Green, Marvin and Darius Miles and maybe Tyrus Thomas come to mind.

when you expand it to top 10 picks; Corey Brewer, Yaroslav Korolev, Josh Childress, Shane Battier, Iguodala, Joe Alexander, Danilo Gallinari, Al-Farouq Aminu

expand it to lottery picks: Al Thornton, Julian Wright, Jared Jeffries, Richard Jefferson, Luol Deng, Thaddeus Young and Earl Clark

alot of these may seem like loose fitting examples but i dont think theres much better ones out there to find, of that group Iguodala, Luol Deng and Jefferson are the only ones who have really panned out, and all 3 are better shooters than Gordon

"Glorified Roleplayer" is a very legitimate concern with Gordon, especially in the top 5

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

I'm genuinely wondering the same thing. Who was the last athletic freak with no discernible offensive game out of college that went on to become an all-star? Admittedly I haven't put too much thought into it so do the work for me.

Basically, when was the last time a kid like AG panned out?

this is something ive been trying to figure out, obviously its not critical to his success but i think its nice to see some historical reference. when you limit the search to top 5 picks, MKG, Jeff Green, Marvin and Darius Miles and maybe Tyrus Thomas come to mind.

when you expand it to top 10 picks; Corey Brewer, Yaroslav Korolev, Josh Childress, Shane Battier, Iguodala, Joe Alexander, Danilo Gallinari

expand it to lottery picks: Al Thornton, Julian Wright, Jared Jeffries, Richard Jefferson, Luol Deng, Thaddeus Young

alot of these may seem like loose fitting examples but i dont think theres much better ones out there to find, of that group other than Iguodala, Luol Deng and Jefferson are the only ones who have really panned out, and all 3 are better shooters than Gordon

"Glorified Roleplayer" is a very legitimate criticism of Gordon, especially in the top 5

Dudes, I share your concerns... but comments like Gordon has "zero offense" have got to stop. He handles, passes, rebounds, finishes, and shoots too well for that label. IMO.

A good coach can bring him along by getting him offense from where he's most comfortable. Gordon is so athletic that I think he'll be able to pick those spots for himself (rather than having athletic deficits pick them for him).

I think he's a reach at 5, but probably not at 7 or 8.

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

Think about what Sloan was able to do for Ronnie Brewer. If Gordon was some hybrid between Brewer and AK, and if he improved his shot over a couple of years, then I think a lot of people would be pretty happy with that pick. His shot isn't even 10% as broken as Ronnie's.

 

[Bodhi]

I never said "zero offense".....ever. I said he has no discernible role on offense. Defensively I think he could be really good....not the "god" others think he will be defensively, but really good.

I just can't make a case to take him at 5. Especially over Smart and Vonleh.

 

[[size/HUGE] fixed [/size]]

I never said "zero offense".....ever. I said he has no discernible role on offense. Defensively I think he could be really good....not the "god" others think he will be defensively, but really good.

I just can't make a case to take him at 5. Especially over Smart and Vonleh.

yeah, sorry dude, I see how that was confusing. I didn't mean to say that you specifically were a "zero offense" guy. I just meant that there are plenty out there. ^I agree with this post^

I've said that Gordon seems like the 7th or 8th pick.

 

[Bodhi]

yeah, sorry dude, I see how that was confusing. I didn't mean to say that you specifically were a "zero offense" guy. I just meant that there are plenty out there. ^I agree with this post^

I've said that Gordon seems like the 7th or 8th pick.

I can agree with that.