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I'm not saying he will be Trey(although to be fair I posed the question earlier if he'd be Trey 2.0), but I'm saying he will have very similar issues with finishing in the lane and around the rim. That's almost a certainty. His success would depend heavily on his ability to knock down shots. And he hasn't shown an ability in college better than what Trey was showing in a better conference against much better competition and on a much bigger stage.

I personally would rather pick Jamal Murray or Kris Dunn next year than Payne this year. I'd give Trey one more year to see what he can do and if he can improve. If he still sucks... prepare for letting him go and either pick up a vet or pick one of the two I mentioned.

There haven't been that many great PG prospects of late. FWIW, Payne looks a lot better than Tyler Ennis who went 18 last year. He's probably better than Trey, he's more naturally talented, but the question is how much? And then the question is whether he can play off the ball.

I think the most impact the Jazz can make this year would be to take Turner or Looney. Particularly Looney could have a big impact even if he pans out just a little bit.
 
Could be right but at the same time according to DX he is a good finisher due to being very skilled with the floater shot and he's much quicker then Trey


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They were saying the same things about Trey... they look at what they do against shorter, smaller, not very fast competition.

Pre-draft DX report on Trey: "Extremely quick with the ball, advanced ball handler. Can attack the paint or hurt you from DEEP range. Changes speed extremely well, goes right & left"... "Keeps defenders on his hip. gets into the paint and makes plays"...

Trey was a better prospect in college than Payne is now. The fact that he's failing now in the league, while Payne hasn't had the chance to fail yet is clouding people's judgement.

"Gets in the paint but struggles to finish over length, prone to settling for tough, contested floaters" pretty much the same as Payne... Only Payne probably makes those floaters a bit better, which is not a guarantee to continue against much longer and more physical defenders.
 
David Thorpe said he thought Trey Burke should have gone #4 in that draft. He compared Trey to Damian Lillard too...

Trey was a great prospect(skill-wise). A lot of people had him going much higher than 9. I've heard people compare him to CP3... yah, I know how ridiculous that sounds but those were the comparisons he was receiving at the time from some people... The truth is... if you are going to be such a short prospect at the PG, you need to be pretty special(special shooting, special ability to create off the dribble and special decision maker) to succeed... I don't know if Payne will be special... but the outlooks for players of that size is not great lately in the league.
 
They won't. The negotiations for #4 will come down to the final minutes. Several teams could be involved. Phoenix, Jazz, Nuggets, Celtics, etc.

Knicks should trade back to the 6 - 9 range to take Kaminsky. The Heat showing interest in Kaminsky could be a head-fake, but it adds pressure to the situation.

I just don't understand why if you're the Knicks you chase Kaminsky when you can just draft Porzingis. But I understand they're not a patient franchise.

In case Porzingis goes top #3.
 
In case Porzingis goes top #3.

Then you thank your lucky stars for that workout and take either Okafor or Russell. 4 this year is like 5 last year. Unless someone reaches for Aaron Gordon (who I like) you're not going to get a 1st tier player. You can try to convince yourself that Porzingis is Dirk or Hezonja is Manu. . . but I don't think they are. I like them both, I just don't think they're top 5 players.
 
While those measurements are near identical and some of their college stats are too. I like Payne's chances much more than I did Trey's. I think Payne sees the floor better, he's sharper. shows better instincts. has more untapped potential and is shiftier.

He's definitely the closest thing you will find to Steph Curry in this draft.

This class is no-doubt regarded as stronger than 2013's, and Payne has seemingly achieved lottery status as a sophomore from a Mid-Major on relatively little exposure nationally. To me there's just a palpable different quality with this kid and Trey; he's a more pesky defender, there's no way he'd average under a steal per game on 30 mpg.

His personality seems a bit like Dante's I've gotta say, except the Tennessee version. Solid leadership qualities, he's low ego, and absolutely ultra-confident. I like his chances at being a starter in this league eventually. He could be a flamethrower off the bench though and play the Lou Williams role if need be. Cam actually figures to be like if Lou Williams was a good PG..

"Trigger finger" Trey has proven to be too predictable for my tastes, Cam will play quicker but more mistake prone, in the classic sense of mistake prone - if Trey's shot selection is being factored in, he makes plenty of mistakes.

Payne's a lefty, which helps him at least appear a bit more shifty, he's lighter on his feet regardless. His shooting mechanics, especially off the dribble are ultra quick. he sets his feet like Steph, even when he's dribbling right. As the draft nears I find myself thinking that I'd sign up for Payne at 12 , in-part, because Trey can still return value in trade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsJ2BJXvBpw - 2:25 (play on mute)


Being a Steph Curry comp is scary though. If Curry isn't the absolute ace shooter that he is, he just becomes a chucker who has above average PG ability who isn't great on defense.
 
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