Following potential 2015 draftees

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think he'd be meh in today's NBA.

I think he might be even better in today's nba, but I'm not interested in discussing a player who hadn't played in 15 or so years. Looking at the history of picks 10-14... If dekker was schrempf I'd be all over that.

 

[stitches]

I think he'd be meh in today's NBA.

How come? He was one of the first deadly 3/4 shooters when 3p shooting wasn't fashionable... he was athletic, long, fast and extremely skillful. I think he'd be great in today's game.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

How come? He was one of the first deadly 3/4 shooters when 3p shooting wasn't fashionable... he was athletic, long, fast and extremely skillful. I think he'd be great in today's game.

He couldn't defend 4s and couldn't keep up with athletic 3s. He had enough ball skills, shooting and mobility to be a tough cover for post-oriented 4s though. He was kind of slow otherwise. Not a great rebounder. A role player really, imo.

It was a different era.

Maybe I'm bringing it up in part because it's fun to say Schrempf.

 

[Doublea]

looking through the old draft threads is scary.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I'm officially bugged by him too... Again he rails on about Kaminsky being risky based on guys not succeeding in their first two years of college. Gives the same two examples (udoh and Wesley Johnson) and ignores hosts of other examples.

Also didn't even look at Frank's birthday to find out if he was an 18 year old freshman or a 19 year old freshman (he was 18 btw)

Since 2009 guys that were not great until senior or junior years or that didn't show NBA promise until 20 years old (or ever) that are now decent NBA players many of which who have out performed their draft position:

Draymond Green
Festus Ezeli
Kelly Olynyk
Jimmy Butler
Tyler Zeller
Mason Plumlee (was always an NBA prospect but statistically didn't show until he was "beating up on children")
Markieff Morris
Nikola Vucevic
John Henson (similar to Plumlee)
Demarre Carroll
Taj Gibson (he was a 20 year old freshmen so not sure how this compares)
Iman Shumpert
Larry Sanders
Chandler Parsons (never really dominant ever)

There are others that outperformed draft position. I agree with Layne Vashro that this actually might be the new draft inefficiency and I hope that other NBA folks still see it the way Locke does.

The narrative is so tired... just wish he'd actually look at the player.

Nice work, HH.

 

[spycam1]

looking through the old draft threads is scary.

Too kinkkky for ya, eh?

 

[Carbon13]

After watching the locke klay thompson vid, im on board with rj hunter or booker.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

After hearing David Locke's latest Tip-off, it sounds to me like he's dropping some hints:

- The Jazz really really want a stretch 4
- David Locke really really doesn't think Kaminsky is the guy; like he's trying to talk people out of wanting Kaminsky
- The Jazz might be willing to trade Rodney Hood -- reference to trading for Harrison Barnes anecdote
- Locke says Lyles is a nice player, but says it in a way that doesn't make Lyles sound like a draft target; calls him a non-athlete and compares him to Patrick Patterson who took years to shoot NBA 3s

 

[Doublea]

After watching the locke klay thompson vid, im on board with rj hunter or booker.

RJ hunter is coming in for a workout next week too.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm officially bugged by him too... Again he rails on about Kaminsky being risky based on guys not succeeding in their first two years of college. Gives the same two examples (udoh and Wesley Johnson) and ignores hosts of other examples.

Also didn't even look at Frank's birthday to find out if he was an 18 year old freshman or a 19 year old freshman (he was 18 btw)

Since 2009 guys that were not great until senior or junior years or that didn't show NBA promise until 20 years old (or ever) that are now decent NBA players many of which who have out performed their draft position:

Draymond Green (9 points 8 rebounds and 3 assist per game his SO year. That is very good production. Not comparable to Frank being a complete non-factor his SO year
Festus Ezeli (Much better example, but Ezeli also never played competitive basketball before going to Vanderbilt, so a lot different than Kaminsky)
Kelly Olynyk (Best example thus far, but Olynyk was still an efficient player every year )
Jimmy Butler (14 ppg his SO year)
Tyler Zeller (Very efficient 9 ppg on a stacked NC team his SO year)
Mason Plumlee (was always an NBA prospect but statistically didn't show until he was "beating up on children") (Very efficient 7 ppg and 8 rpg on stacked Duke team)
Markieff Morris (See Plumlee and Zeller, he was playing behind Thomas Robinson)
Nikola Vucevic (Very efficient 11 and 10 his SO year)
John Henson (similar to Plumlee) (11,10, and 3 his SO year)
Demarre Carroll (Efficient 11 and 6 his SO year)
Taj Gibson (he was a 20 year old freshmen so not sure how this compares) (12,9, and 2 his FR year)
Iman Shumpert (His stats are bad, but he was drafted as a defensive specialist, which he did all 3 years at GT)
Larry Sanders (11, 9, and 3 his SO year)
Chandler Parsons (never really dominant ever) (Extremely unique situation. He was a very good glue guy all 4 years at Florida, never put up mind-blowing stats, but he always competed at a very high level all 4 years and contributed a huge role to very good Florida teams)

There are others that outperformed draft position. I agree with Layne Vashro that this actually might be the new draft inefficiency and I hope that other NBA folks still see it the way Locke does.

The narrative is so tired... just wish he'd actually look at the player.

So yeah, I quickly proved your whole point wrong.

Also don't think Udoh or Johnson are good statistical comps either, even they were better than Frank their FR/SO years.

Locke has a valid point. Kaminsky is a pretty rare case of a guy being really bad his FR and SO years. Nearly no one in the NBA has done that. So in that sense, he is a weird prospect and there is risk in something that doesn't have much precedence.

He averaged 4 ppg on 43% shooting his SO year, and did even worse his FR year. None of those guys you listed above did nearly that bad and all of them have good SO years.

*I'm a fan of Kaminsky and would like to draft him, but I acknowledge there is risk in drafting him.*

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I may be in the minority, but I would trade 12 + Hood + even a future pick to get up to #7 if Hezonja or Porzingis is there.

Detroit is reportedly open to moving #8. They want help right away to make the POs next year. Not sure if we'd be able to deal with them. They will be asking a lot.

That is a huge risk not worth taking. If those two guys pan out I really think they are no better then Hood, but there is a better chance they aren't as good. U only trade an asset like hood for a sure fire prospect.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He couldn't defend 4s and couldn't keep up with athletic 3s. He had enough ball skills, shooting and mobility to be a tough cover for post-oriented 4s though. He was kind of slow otherwise. Not a great rebounder. A role player really, imo.

It was a different era.

Maybe I'm bringing it up in part because it's fun to say Schrempf.

lol. It was still basketball. Schrempf would still be a beast.