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karl malone said:
In response to Stifle Tower:

I agree that we need to be patient with Exum, if we decide to develop him. The 2 reason I'm not sure that we should is that I don't think his developmental timeline matches up with our current roster as I think he will take 2-3 years to develop into the player that we will need him to be to be competitive, while we have 3 players that are ready to contribute to a championship caliber team right now. Also, while I do believe that he will eventually develop into a great player in his own right, I don't believe that what he will excel at will best complement those other 3 players without an elite scorer alongside them (& I don't see how we could retain those 4 players if Exum becomes a star, along with a #1 option). Also, to clarify, Exum is the only 1 out of our current core that I would include in such a deal.
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This is the issue. I think Mudiay and Russell would both be better fits with a quicker timeline. Anyone remember how there was a ton of talk regarding Exum and the lakers... You think they might be willing to do the 3 or 4 for our pick plus Exum? I'm not sure how much Exum has hurt his value at this point.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This is the issue. I think Mudiay and Russell would both be better fits with a quicker timeline. Anyone remember how there was a ton of talk regarding Exum and the lakers... You think they might be willing to do the 3 or 4 for our pick plus Exum? I'm not sure how much Exum has hurt his value at this point.
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They may.
 
Last night Locke mentioned that Alex Jensen said the Celtics doubled every pick and roll and that spacing is an issue. Is this because we have very few shooters?
 
I'm 90% in the go get Russell camp using Exum, draft picks and whatever assets we need to (Gobert, favs, and Hayward are untouchable in the deal). I don't think every team would do it, but I think the lakers and sixers might. We only need 8 main guys in the rotation and have young players at every position already. We can fill out the 8-12 positions with ingles, millsaps, and the evanses of the world. It would make sense to condense some of our assets in a better prospect like Russell or Mudiay. Think those guys go at 3 and 4 in the draft. I'd also like to get a vet pg to help ease the transition.

I think Exum will be good but like Karl Malone said his window is sooooo far away. The positive posters say let him initiate offense and improve his shooting and sit in the corner and he can just play good defense. That's fine but that's not the superstar we are looking for... That is an avery Bradley type player. It's clear Exum has no idea at this point what type of player he'd like to become... His path of discovery is going to hold back this team.

If we keep him I hope I'm wrong. I hope he comes in next year with an improved body and makes a major jump.
 
I am pretty sure the Jazz org thinks Exum has superstar potential. There is also not a single reason we can not keep every single one of our awesome young guys we have right now, even if every single one of them is a max level player on their next contract. We can go into as much of the luxury tax as we want to sign our own players. We also have tons of draft picks that we can use to build out the rest of a team if we have 4 max guys in 5 years. We will be fine.
 
b_line said:
I am pretty sure the Jazz org thinks Exum has superstar potential. There is also not a single reason we can not keep every single one of our awesome young guys we have right now, even if every single one of them is a max level player on their next contract. We can go into as much of the luxury tax as we want to sign our own players. We also have tons of draft picks that we can use to build out the rest of a team if we have 4 max guys in 5 years. We will be fine.
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It's not a salary thing to me to be able to keep our guys it's a fit/timing thing. We have Hayward, favors, Gobert as the building blocks. Burks and hood are also good young players. Exum is the development project. That is six guys that need playing time. Burke is meh... I don't think he's here long term. That is 7 guys. Everyone thinks we need to add a veteran so that is 8. Where will our pick this year get any playing time next year? What about our pick the following year?

I just think if we condense some of these assets that we won't be able to fully utilize now for a better asset... Albeit that we have to pay a premium... We would be better off. If we could get good production on a rookie deal it is a major plus. I am not sure Hayward will want to wait for Exum to develop. I just see this as a major stumbling block for us.

Exum will be good... I just don't know if that is 2 years from now or 4-5. I also don't have a clue how to project what he will be. It'd be great to see how he does in practice.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It's not a salary thing to me to be able to keep our guys it's a fit/timing thing. We have Hayward, favors, Gobert as the building blocks. Burks and hood are also good young players. Exum is the development project. That is six guys that need playing time. Burke is meh... I don't think he's here long term. That is 7 guys. Everyone thinks we need to add a veteran so that is 8. Where will our pick this year get any playing time next year? What about our pick the following year?

I just think if we condense some of these assets that we won't be able to fully utilize now for a better asset... Albeit that we have to pay a premium... We would be better off. If we could get good production on a rookie deal it is a major plus. I am not sure Hayward will want to wait for Exum to develop. I just see this as a major stumbling block for us.

Exum will be good... I just don't know if that is 2 years from now or 4-5. I also don't have a clue how to project what he will be. It'd be great to see how he does in practice.
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I see where you are coming from, but you don't trade a player away if you think they have superstar potential. If the Jazz really think Exum will be better than Hayward and Favors, then they wait. Trade Burks, Burke, Hood, whoever else away, just don't trade any of the special players away. Keep Favors, Hayward, Gobert and Exum if you think he has potential to join that group. Exum is already a rotation player just because of his defense. We can find time for other draft picks if they deserve time. If we sign a great veteran, then we will have an awesome 8 man rotation, and can trade away whoever else does not fit.
 
b_line said:
I see where you are coming from, but you don't trade a player away if you think they have superstar potential. If the Jazz really think Exum will be better than Hayward and Favors, then they wait. Trade Burks, Burke, Hood, whoever else away, just don't trade any of the special players away. Keep Favors, Hayward, Gobert and Exum if you think he has potential to join that group. Exum is already a rotation player just because of his defense. We can find time for other draft picks if they deserve time. If we sign a great veteran, then we will have an awesome 8 man rotation, and can trade away whoever else does not fit.
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I haven't seen much that says superstar to me... He has some pretty good defensive plays and is solid on that end. He makes a good pass here and there, but I've seen nothing that gives me much hope for him as a scorer. The red flags as a scorer are much louder than the flickers of hope.
 
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