I can tell you right now I am much more excited about the possibility of getting DMC + Kaminsky, than Tomic + Johnson.
Much better 3 point shooting from that first group.
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I can tell you right now I am much more excited about the possibility of getting DMC + Kaminsky, than Tomic + Johnson.
Much better 3 point shooting from that first group.
What about Tomic and Hezonja or Winslow? Trade the 2016 first and OKC pick with this one. Jazz have so much young talent, I don't see the need for either of those with 2 first rounders in 2017 and so many second round picks. And there is no guarantee we get Carrol or a like player. Draft is before FA if I recall correctly. They may know if they can get Tomic, but might not know about any possible FA.
With the emergence of Hood I am a bit more skeptical about getting Stanley Johnson. I mean is he going to start over Hood in the future? I feel like our team needs more offensive punch at the moment and Hood is giving us that in the starting lineup. Then you bring in Kaminsky who's an offensive player first and foremost and has range out to the 3pt line - imagine all the 3pt shots Booker is passing up ATM, Kaminsky is prime to get a good % of those in and can be a real threat out there creating space for Burks to operate in that 2nd unit.
Of course I would love to get Hezonja or Winslow, but as it stands I'm liking the idea of Kaminsky as our long term 3rd big and have been for a while now.
I worry about the defense in the second unit with Burke, Burks, Booker and possibly Tomic. Johnson would be a great defensive SF for the second unit, who could possibly start alongside Hayward and could play some PF with small ball. I'd much rather have Tomic and Johnson than Kaminsky only as there is no guarantee we get anyone in FA.
davidbenoit
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If Detroit, Sacramento etc go for that with the OKC pick, I'd do that in a heartbeat. But that GS pick is one Steph Curry injury away from being in the lottery. Bogut and Iggy will be 33 in 2017 and who knows how the league is going to look with the new Salary Cap rise coming up.
You run the risk of the wing position becoming a logjam with Winslow or Hezonja. But you can always create a package in a year or two with a wing, Burke + draft pick for an unhappy all-star.
Don't get me wrong I like both Kaminsky & Johnson. To me the emergence of Hood is messing up our plan a little bit. If we draft Johnson, that's 4 starting calibre players with only 2 starting spots (Hayward, Hood, Burks, Johnson).
Drafting Kaminsky however would fill a real gap/need.
I am just going to go on the record and say it right now - if we keep the pick - I don't want Kaminsky! I could be really off on this one, but to me his ceiling looks like a solid rotational player. This is quite possibly the last year for some time that we are going to be picking in the lottery and I don't want us to be wasting a pick on a guy whose best case scenario is being a player in the Kelly Olynyk mold. I don't think he's athletic enough, I don't think he's quick enough, I don't think he defends well in space, in pnr and in the post(damn, does he give up deep position on every single post up!). I get why people like him, because he's very skilled offensively and can stretch the floor and his floor is probably higher than most prospects at the 10-15 range, but I'd rather we swing for the fences one last time. I would draft Oubre, Dekker, Winslow, Johnson, Booker, Dunn, Grant, Poeltl, Portis, Looney, hell maybe even Lyles before I draft Kaminsky. Maybe not all of them will turn into starter-level players or better in the league, but I feel like the chance with all of them is better than the chance with Kaminsky.
I think the Jazz are going to end up 10th in the draft order and find themselves debating Oubre, Looney and maybe Johnson if they can't move up. I don't really see Kaminsky on the Jazz, unless he turns out to be an awesome stretch shooter. That said, I think they should make a solid offer to Sacramento to move up to their projected 6th or 7th pick. Sacramento should be looking at Looney, Turner, Lyles and the #1 PG in this draft. The Jazz can make that happen and make it worth their while. Maybe Sacramento takes Winslow or WCS though. Who knows...
Jazz would target Hezonja, Porzingis or Winslow.
I agree with Stiches. I don't think Kaminsky is a game-changer for us, primarily due to his lack of quickness. I'd honestly rather have Turner even though he seems to run like a duck.
Jazz would target Hezonja, Porzingis or Winslow.
I agree with Stiches. I don't think Kaminsky is a game-changer for us, primarily due to his lack of quickness. I'd honestly rather have Turner even though he seems to run like a duck.
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Here's an article about first impressions of Sam Vecenie from CBS Sports about the Hoop summit prospects:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...world-team-measurements-and-practice-analysis
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...world-team-measurements-and-practice-analysis
Nike Hoop Summit: World Team measurements and practice analysis
By Sam Vecenie | CBSSports.com
April 8, 2015 12:30 am ET
The 2015 Nike Hoop Summit has brought together some of the best NBA draft prospects in the world. Practice for the World Team kicked off on Monday and Tuesday, but prior to that the players were measured for heights, weights, wingspan, standing reaches, and some other measurements. Here is how that team's roster looks, how they measured out, and then some analysis from Tuesday's practice, which was the first one I was in attendance for following the Final Four.
Thoughts:
* Skal Labissiere is one of the bigger names in attendance here, and nothing about him has disappointed to this juncture. At 7-foot tall in shoes with a 7-1.5 wingspan, he has the size to play the center position in the NBA, and his body is continuing to put on weight, which is a good sign. However, the measurements aren't the most impressive part of Labissiere. It's his play. The Kentucky recruit basically dominated from the beginning to the end of practice on Tuesday, outplaying another potential 2016 top-10 pick in Thon Maker by a considerable margin in their matchup. His fluid athleticism is readily apparent at every turn, whether it be on defense where he contested just about every single Maker shot on the perimeter, or on offense where he was terrific in the pick-and-roll and pick-and-pop, as he has terrific instinctual awareness of where to find the soft spot in the defense. He already has an incredibly soft touch, and his range seems to have increased out to the college 3-point line (he attempted a couple of NBA level 3s, but they didn't look as comfortable mechanically). He was the best player on the floor Tuesday, and I was told it was a similar story on Monday by others. Like everyone here, he still has a way's to go, but it wouldn't shock me if he ended up as the No. 1 recruit in the 2015 high school class.
* The current No. 1 recruit in the 2015 high school class and another potential top-five pick in 2016 is also in Portland in Ben Simmons. He arrived on Tuesday following his most valuable player performance in the high school national championships, and was measured at 6-foot-10 with a 6-11 wingspan and an 8-7 standing reach. Those aren't great numbers, but they aren't necessarily a backbreaker either for a point-forward type like Simmons. He probably won't be able to defend power forwards regularly, but his future seems to lie on the wing anyway. He's working with the perimeter players here, and even got to see some time as a point guard on Tuesday. For me, he was probably the second-best player on the floor behind Labissiere, which isn't a surprise given his general standing as a prospect.
* The measurement that really jumps off the page here is undoubtedly Zhou Qi, the 7-foot-2 Chinese center with a 7-6.5 wingspan. As far as I know, his standing reach of 9-6.5 would be the second longest in the NBA behind Rudy Gobert's. Much like Gobert, Zhou is already a terrific rim protector internationally, as he led the CBA in blocks in his rookie season with 3.3 in 29 minutes per game. His 10.7 percent block rate dwarfed the next closest competitor's (Slava Kravtsov, formerly of Detroit Pistons' fame, had a 6.1 percent block rate). The question with Zhou is obviously the frame, as 209 pounds is incredibly frail for that size. It's something to keep an eye on throughout the week, although he did not play Tuesday after apparently picking up an ankle injury on Monday.
* George de Paula is one of only two prospects on this roster that is currently in my 2015 NBA mock draft. And as you can see, there's a pretty clear reason he's there. At 6-foot-6 with a 6-11.5 wingspan, he would be among the biggest point guards to ever play the position in the NBA. Put it this way: I currently have Justin Anderson from Virginia in the first round in 2015 as a small forward, and Lucas is about the same size. There's also the matter of his hands. Again, I feel reasonably confident saying that de Paula's hands would probably be the biggest among any point guard's to ever play in the NBA. He used those hands and that length to good use in practice on Tuesday, as he's a complete terror in passing lanes. He picked off countless passes in transition and generally made it tough on whoever he was defending to initiate offense. The questions with him are more offensive, as his first step and shooting ability leave quite a bit to be desired. I've got him in the second round right now.
* Thon Maker measured well at 7-foot with a 7-3.25 wingspan, plus has put on some weight to get up to 218. He looks bigger, and with his broad shoulders it looks like his frame would be able to stand another 15-20 pounds. He's working with the big men here (his perimeter skill level has led some to speculate if his future is as a massive wing a la Kevin Durant), and looked pretty solid during practice despite Labissiere getting the better of him. He made a couple of 3s, and used his length to block a few shots in the lane. It's fair to say though that he still doesn't look totally comfortable in the post with his footwork, and that will be the biggest place for him to work to improve.
* Other quick hitters.....Cheick Diallo was MVP of the McDonald's All-American game mostly due to his work level, and that's continued here. He was active athletically and on the glass with his 7-4 wingspan.....Nedim Buza looks the part of a small forward at 6-8 with a 6-11 wingspan, and his ability to shoot will probably get him drafted in the next two years.....Despite his lack of size, Federico Mussini looks the part with his play. He's considering college still, and he would make an NCAA coach really happy with his level of polish, poise, and terrific shooting.....Jamal Murray and Stefan Peno are two of the younger guys here, and they went back and forth in their matchup Tuesday. Murray will be an interesting college guy to look at down the road, and Peno will continue to develop at the powerhouse that is Barcelona.....Finally, Tai Wynyard is the youngest player here, and he looked it today. The Kentucky commit for 2016 struggled a bit with the length surrounding him, which isn't a total surprise given his inexperience and his size. Still, simply being here will be a good experience for him.
davidbenoit
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If you can get a "solid rotation player" at 12 you do it. Kaminksy is a super safe pick and like One Love has pointed out, actually fills a big need.
This is what Kaminsky would look like if he were as good as Cody Zeller. Problem is, I don't think he's as good as Cody Zeller.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_GJZ5qWjM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_GJZ5qWjM
Buza as a draft and stasher in the second round is quite intriguing.