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It was also interesting to read on Chad ford's chat. That a could let players are putting pressure on Russell. That Winslow could go higher than him.
 
Catchall said:
This is what Kaminsky would look like if he were as good as Cody Zeller. Problem is, I don't think he's as good as Cody Zeller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fd_GJZ5qWjM
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Totally different players but they are both white and ugly, so it is kind of what it would look like.

Franks skills are shooting, passing, and driving. The first two will translate and the third should as well because players have to close out hard. He will be a rich mans olynyk who is a really effective bench big.

He could turn out to be a better version of memo... That is his upside. Most of the swing for the fences guys flame out... You just forget their names. It is easier to remember the giannis and the Gobert's but we forget about the Sene and korolov types.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Totally different players but they are both white and ugly, so it is kind of what it would look like.

Franks skills are shooting, passing, and driving. The first two will translate and the third should as well because players have to close out hard. He will be a rich mans olynyk who is a really effective bench big.

He could turn out to be a better version of memo... That is his upside. Most of the swing for the fences guys flame out... You just forget their names. It is easier to remember the giannis and the Gobert's but we forget about the Sene and korolov types.
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Also don't forget what Locke said (if you trust him), that DL was pretty high on drafting Olynyk in the 2013 draft before Corbin suggested that we draft Trey. So there is a precedence of sort for the Jazz being interested in a Kaminsky type of player.


The Okur comparison is an interesting one too, he was pretty effective for us even in that Jerry Sloan offense that wasn't geared towards guys shooting 3's... I can't even begin to imagine how Quin would incorporate Kaminsky's shooting into our current offense.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Also don't forget what Locke said (if you trust him), that DL was pretty high on drafting Olynyk in the 2013 draft before Corbin suggested that we draft Trey. So there is a precedence of sort for the Jazz being interested in a Kaminsky type of player.


The Okur comparison is an interesting one too, he was pretty effective for us even in that Jerry Sloan offense that wasn't geared towards guys shooting 3's... I can't even begin to imagine how Quin would incorporate Kaminsky's shooting into our current offense.
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If Kaminsky can really shoot like Okur, that's one thing, but that's yet to be proven. Kaminsky's footspeed and post-ups around the rim are not as good as Zeller. That's the comparison I was trying to make.

I wouldn't take Kaminsky ahead of Stanley Johnson. I don't think I'd take him a head of Oubre either, whom I still see as a prototypical wing. With Kaminsky vs. Looney it's a debate about what kind of back-up big you want. However, Looney is likely to be the better long-term player. Turner is likely to be better long-term as well. Keep in mind, it's 2 years from now when Gobert and Exum are really developed. We still have a season or two development window to bring in a young player, and Kaminsky isn't good enough to forgo that opportunity, imo.

That is, I don't like the opportunity cost of drafting Kaminsky when this is probably our last lottery pick for a long time. He won't make us a fundamentally different or better team. Porzingis probably would, but we're not likely going to get him.
 
Next year, the Jazz will be drafting in the 17 range. That seems like where you pick up a back-up big. If we're in the 10 or 11 spot this year, it's a rare opportunity to draft a good wing, particularly in this draft. If we can't move up, I'd say don't fight it and get Johnson or Oubre. Both will be top 6 or 7 rotation players. The Jazz have talent at every position. Now they need stars to emerge.
 
Catchall said:
If Kaminsky can really shoot like Okur, that's one thing, but that's yet to be proven. Kaminsky's footspeed and post-ups around the rim are not as good as Zeller. That's the comparison I was trying to make.

I wouldn't take Kaminsky ahead of Stanley Johnson. I don't think I'd take him a head of Oubre either, whom I still see as a prototypical wing. With Kaminsky vs. Looney it's a debate about what kind of back-up big you want. However, Looney is likely to be the better long-term player. Turner is likely to be better long-term as well. Keep in mind, it's 2 years from now when Gobert and Exum are really developed. We still have a season or two development window to bring in a young player, and Kaminsky isn't good enough to forgo that opportunity, imo.

That is, I don't like the opportunity cost of drafting Kaminsky when this is probably our last lottery pick for a long time. He won't make us a fundamentally different or better team. Porzingis probably would, but we're not likely going to get him.
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Like Spy said before our best hope at the moment (without trading up) I think is Johnson OR Kaminsky.


Gun to my head, I think I'd go with Johnson with a slight edge just because of the potential going forward. But I wouldn't pick Oubre/Turner over Kaminsky.
 
Catchall said:
If Kaminsky can really shoot like Okur, that's one thing, but that's yet to be proven. Kaminsky's footspeed and post-ups around the rim are not as good as Zeller. That's the comparison I was trying to make.

I wouldn't take Kaminsky ahead of Stanley Johnson. I don't think I'd take him a head of Oubre either, whom I still see as a prototypical wing. With Kaminsky vs. Looney it's a debate about what kind of back-up big you want. However, Looney is likely to be the better long-term player. Turner is likely to be better long-term as well. Keep in mind, it's 2 years from now when Gobert and Exum are really developed. We still have a season or two development window to bring in a young player, and Kaminsky isn't good enough to forgo that opportunity, imo.

That is, I don't like the opportunity cost of drafting Kaminsky when this is probably our last lottery pick for a long time. He won't make us a fundamentally different or better team. Porzingis probably would, but we're not likely going to get him.
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Kaminsky shot 41.6%... pretty memo like. I don't think his stroke is as pure as memo's, but I think his drives and post up game are better... or will be better than Memo's.

Zeller is a better post player, but I don't think that is how a smart coach will use Frank. Imagine Frank setting those ball screens up top for Burks, Hayward, Hood... the big will have to stay close to cover Frank's shot and if he gets too close Frank can drive into a wide open lane. This also opens up driving lanes for the wings. He's also a good passer.

Oubre is the only one I might consider of that group. His problem is he floats a bit... that can be addressed. He reminds me of Rudy Gay. Turner and Looney could both end up busting. Looney reminds me of Aminu and Turner's body may not allow him to be effective. If you've watched him play it is all sorts of awkward.

I would take Johnson before Frank and Porzingis, but I would be very happy if we are sitting at 12 and Frank dropped into our lap.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Like Spy said before our best hope at the moment (without trading up) I think is Johnson OR Kaminsky.


Gun to my head, I think I'd go with Johnson with a slight edge just because of the potential going forward. But I wouldn't pick Oubre/Turner over Kaminsky.
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I would pick Johnson quite clearly over Kaminsky and prep him to play a Draymond Green-type role, something he has the physical talent to do if his motor and work ethic are up to it. I would definitely take Oubre over Kaminsky, as I think Oubre could be an ideal starting 2-guard giving us unparalleled length on the perimeter. I would have to think about Turner, but would probably take him over Kaminsky as well.

I think Kaminsky is going to look slow and clumsy at NBA speed, resulting in him not getting many minutes.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Kaminsky shot 41.6%... pretty memo like. I don't think his stroke is as pure as memo's, but I think his drives and post up game are better... or will be better than Memo's.

Zeller is a better post player, but I don't think that is how a smart coach will use Frank. Imagine Frank setting those ball screens up top for Burks, Hayward, Hood... the big will have to stay close to cover Frank's shot and if he gets too close Frank can drive into a wide open lane. This also opens up driving lanes for the wings. He's also a good passer.

Oubre is the only one I might consider of that group. His problem is he floats a bit... that can be addressed. He reminds me of Rudy Gay. Turner and Looney could both end up busting. Looney reminds me of Aminu and Turner's body may not allow him to be effective. If you've watched him play it is all sorts of awkward.

I would take Johnson before Frank and Porzingis, but I would be very happy if we are sitting at 12 and Frank dropped into our lap.
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Good comments.

Oubre for the moment puts in more effort on defense than Rudy Gay, and if he's more disciplined with his shot selection, then being like Rudy Gay is not a problem. Some of these draft sites have also started comparing Oubre to Kendall Gill, who was solid defensively and at filling the lanes.

Zeller is a 7-footer with good speed and athleticism, plus a jumper out to 20 feet or so. I get the appeal of Kaminsky as a pick-and-pop player. I don't think he's a guy who will create much on his own in the NBA, though he has basic post moves. I just worry about his ability to play other aspects of the game--defense, rebounding, running the floor, pick-and-roll defense, etc. He looks a step slow to me.

I don't see Looney busting. He has good IQ, is a good passer, makes good reads, and can score in different ways. I just don't think the ceiling is as high as people supposedly say it is. It reminds me of how scouts gushed about Marvin Williams (a number 2 pick). Their games could be very similar.

Turner could bust, but if he works on his body and his footwork he has the talent to be close to a Jermaine O'Neal or Hassan Whiteside, who was also awkward coming out of college. A 7-footer with a money 12-foot jumper is a nice player to have.
 
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