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idiot said:
Has anybody else been following Tony Jones's twitter? He's been having convos about what the Jazz will/should do in the offseason. As with a lot of twitter conversations, it's not always clear how strongly he holds the position, nor whether what he is saying comes primarily from his sources with the Jazz or his own opinion. Nevertheless he's been throwing out a lot of hints in which he seems to imply some knowledge about the Jazz's current thinking (who knows if he's right or not):

Jazz won't go for an upgrade or even 1-2 yr stopgap at PG -- Exum is the guy (he's very clear this is the Jazz's thinking)

Jazz would be hard pressed to get an upgrade at a wing -- they love Hood (it's not quite clear if this is all Jazz's thoughts, or partly his thoughts)

Jazz love two guys in draft: Hezonja and Porzingis -- but they've long since understood that they'll be gone far before the Jazz pick (seems pretty clear this info comes from Jazz)

Jazz are likely to go BPA route, maybe erring on the side of high upside who needs development time, since virtually anyone they bring in will not find many regular rotation minutes (TJ didn't bat away Oubre and Looney when their names were brought up)

Also emphasized that Jazz likely to address shooting in offseason (though that's probably not news to anybody)

TJ did bat away Dekker's name -- says many players higher on Jazz's list

Was doubtful that Stanley Johnson could even find a spot in the rotation ahead of Ingles next year if Ingles is back (sounded more like TJ's opinion, but I'm not sure)

Brought up Trey Lyles and Devin Booker as guys the Jazz like.

Jazz care very, very little about where they finish in the lottery. Culture development far more important than moving up a slot or two.
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Hey, nice post. Idiot.

Seriously though, it's true that with Burks, Hood and Hayward, minutes at the wing are going to be hard to some by. I still think Oubre is a minor upgrade due to his length and athleticism--our perimeter defense could be phenomenal--but it's likely a minor upgrade. At this point, I see the Jazz using this draft to bring in a back-up big like Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles--whichever one shoots best and has the most upside. I like Devin Booker, but don't think he'll take minutes from Hood unless he has some serious ball skills we don't know about. Hood is actually a surprisingly good passer.

So: Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles and maybe Oubre if he's awesome in workouts.
 
Catchall said:
Hey, nice post. Idiot.

Seriously though, it's true that with Burks, Hood and Hayward, minutes at the wing are going to be hard to some by. I still think Oubre is a minor upgrade due to his length and athleticism--our perimeter defense could be phenomenal--but it's likely a minor upgrade. At this point, I see the Jazz using this draft to bring in a back-up big like Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles--whichever one shoots best and has the most upside. I like Devin Booker, but don't think he'll take minutes from Hood unless he has some serious ball skills we don't know about. Hood is actually a surprisingly good passer.

So: Looney/Turner/Portis/Lyles and maybe Oubre if he's awesome in workouts.
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Problem is all those are PFs ... we already have a back up PF in Booker who is improving and has shown he can backup Favors if he is injured or needs a rest (knock on wood). What we really need is a back up Center.


But if you say "Well we're bringing over Tomic", then my question to you is "Are we really going to use our lottery pick on a 5th big?"
 
ONE LOVE said:
Problem is all those are PFs ... we already have a back up PF in Booker who is improving and has shown he can backup Favors if he is injured or needs a rest (knock on wood). What we really need is a back up Center.


But if you say "Well we're bringing over Tomic", then my question to you is "Are we really going to use our lottery pick on a 5th big?"
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You're thinking too much about what the drafted big would do for us in the present instead of the future. He could be the long term 3rd big. It's not guaranteed that Booker will be here after next season. Besides, I think Portis could be as good or better than Booker as a rookie.

And you could say this about the wing position too. We've got Hayward, Hood, Burks and Ingles. Are we really going to use this pick on a 5th wing? Using your logic, the Jazz should only be looking at PGs.
 
spycam1 said:
You're thinking too much about what the drafted big would do for us in the present instead of the future. He could be the long term 3rd big. It's not guaranteed that Booker will be here after next season. Besides, I think Portis could be as good or better than Booker as a rookie.

And you could say this about the wing position too. We've got Hayward, Hood, Burks and Ingles. Are we really going to use this pick on a 5th wing? Using your logic, the Jazz should only be looking at PGs.
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It really depends on how soon you want to be contending. Booker is ready to go RIGHT NOW. We can have a playoff run next year, and a deeper run the year after.


You draft Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis and you're looking at at least 3 years before they're ready to contribute as your solid 3rd big for a contending team. Think about how long it took Kanter & Favors to be where they are today.
 
ONE LOVE said:
It really depends on how soon you want to be contending. Booker is ready to go RIGHT NOW. We can have a playoff run next year, and a deeper run the year after.


You draft Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis and you're looking at at least 3 years before they're ready to contribute as your solid 3rd big for a contending team. Think about how long it took Kanter & Favors to be where they are today.
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We don't know how long it would take them to contribute at that level. That's making a big assumption. Especially in the case of Portis. He put up similar numbers to Kaminsky who you seem to believe is ready to contribute?

And Booker will be on the team and ready to make that playoff push regardless of who we draft. And then the drafted big could help us make a deeper run the year after that if he surpasses Booker's productivity.

Again, everything you're saying could also be said about the wings. Whoever we draft is almost certainly going to start off as a bench player.

Draft BPA and let things play themselves out.
 
spycam1 said:
We don't know how long it would take them to contribute at that level. That's making a big assumption. Especially in the case of Portis. He put up similar numbers to Kaminsky who you seem to believe is ready to contribute?

And Booker will be on the team and ready to make that playoff push regardless of who we draft. And then the drafted big could help us make a deeper run the year after that if he surpasses Booker's productivity.

Again, everything you're saying could also be said about the wings. Whoever we draft is almost certainly going to start off as a bench player.

Draft BPA and let things play themselves out.
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I'm not making a big assumption, I'm just trying to be realistic about their development. Booker was drafted in 2010, and he's only showing his true potential as a solid 3rd big. Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis aren't can't miss talent, it will take them longer to find their feet in the NBA.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I'm not making a big assumption, I'm just trying to be realistic about their development. Booker was drafted in 2010, and he's only showing his true potential as a solid 3rd big. Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis aren't can't miss talent, it will take them longer to find their feet in the NBA.
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Again, how is this any different from the wings of the late lottery?
 
The Jazz shouldn't obsess over position and who will make the biggest immediate impact. They should grade players in terms of who they think will help the team's long term outlook and draft accordingly.
 
stitches said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnfpmCpa3PA
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Damn, his outside shot is very dirkesque.
Nice high release and gets rid of it at a decent speed.

I have not been very interested in him until now. I'm on board.






















Hope he is there at 12 lol
 
fishonjazz said:
Damn, his outside shot is very dirkesque.
Nice high release and gets rid of it at a decent speed.

I have not been very interested in him until now. I'm on board.






















Hope he is there at 12 lol
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Dont dare mention his name along with Dirk. Just kidding. He is getting a lot of the dirk,pau,nikola comparisons right now. I think he goes no later than 6th so a big trade would have to be in order.
 
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