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We haven't talked about Oubre in awhile. Did something happen that I missed?

It's a slow news day and I found this article, I thought it was interesting.

Asked what mindset Oubre needs to embrace to become more consistent, Self referenced a conversation he had the previous day with former Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan, now scouting for the organization. In his playing days as a shooting guard for tough Chicago Bulls teams, Sloan was a rugged defender and a good shooter. He earned NBA first-team all-defense honors four times.

"To me," Self said, "with guys who are kind of stat-stuffer-type guys, be worried about making plays that give your team the best chance to have good possessions. You know, defensive energy, scouting report, things like that. And when you worry about the right thing, I think you make shots."

Self shared that Sloan told him that too many players have their minds twisted in the wrong direction, stuck in the wrong place.

Sloan, Self said, was, "saying that kids want to shoot good and then they’ll play good, but kids should want to play good and then it’s easier to make shots because they’re not focused on making shots."

Sloan speaks from experience not just as a player, but as the coach of Hall-of-Fame talents Karl Malone and John Stockton.

"I think that’s the one thing with Kelly that I want to see consistency with because he’s a good shooter, but that’s not who he is," Self said. "He’s a junkyard dog. He can do a lot of things, and when he’s worried about those things it just seems so much more natural for him to jump up and make shots."

Oubre is 6'7 with a 7'2 wingspan, he shot 36% from three this year on 95 attempts. He is a good defender as well, could be a great 3 and D guy for the Jazz.
 
Hearing more and more about Stanley Johnson from Arizona. WHat are the chances that he is still on the board at 12?

Pros/cons? (No, I am not reading 711 pages to find out)
 
be honest maybe 30/70 that he is not

This seems right... I do think someone will fall. It happens almost every draft that a guy goes 3-5 spots lower than consensus. Teams lock into a position or player and ignore what is going on during the draft. Saric fell a bit last year... Noel the year before... Dat guy Kwahi... Granger. Exum even slid a spot further than expected. Drummond and Monroe both slid further than consensus. It is almost every year.

If Charlotte selects Booker, Miami takes Kaminsky or Oubre, and Indiana locks into a point guard (they worked out Payne and Grant... or will was the rumor) then we are looking at selecting one of Johnson, Porzingis, or worst case Kaminsky/Turner. Ideally we could move up to 9 or 10 but may not have to... GMs do dumb things on draft night.
 
be honest maybe 30/70 that he is not

This seems right... I do think someone will fall. It happens almost every draft that a guy goes 3-5 spots lower than consensus. Teams lock into a position or player and ignore what is going on during the draft. Saric fell a bit last year... Noel the year before... Dat guy Kwahi... Granger. Exum even slid a spot further than expected. Drummond and Monroe both slid further than consensus. It is almost every year.

If Charlotte selects Booker, Miami takes Kaminsky or Oubre, and Indiana locks into a point guard (they worked out Payne and Grant... or will was the rumor) then we are looking at selecting one of Johnson, Porzingis, or worst case Kaminsky/Turner. Ideally we could move up to 9 or 10 but may not have to... GMs do dumb things on draft night.

Thanks guys. Thoughts on how Johnson fits with the Jazz?
 
Thanks guys. Thoughts on how Johnson fits with the Jazz?

Perfectly. Seriously he is big enough to play stretch 4 in spots for us. He could be the 4th wing as well. He is a two way player. His shot is good, but I don't think he's a knock down shooter like Booker or Hezonja. He's not an explosive athlete, but is strong and thick.

High end upside... Ron Artest without the crazy and maybe a little less gifted on D (Ron was pretty amazing on D)
Low end floor... a rich man's Jae Crowder

He would fill an appropriate role for a rookie and have room to grow. Would give us positional flexibility and allow us to continue switching all PnR. There has to be a deal we can make for him with Charlotte. He's not a great fit for them. If he is still on the board I'd go as high as the 12 and next year's pick top 10 protected.
 
Perfectly. Seriously he is big enough to play stretch 4 in spots for us. He could be the 4th wing as well. He is a two way player. His shot is good, but I don't think he's a knock down shooter like Booker or Hezonja. He's not an explosive athlete, but is strong and thick.

High end upside... Ron Artest without the crazy and maybe a little less gifted on D (Ron was pretty amazing on D)
Low end floor... a rich man's Jae Crowder

He would fill an appropriate role for a rookie and have room to grow. Would give us positional flexibility and allow us to continue switching all PnR. There has to be a deal we can make for him with Charlotte. He's not a great fit for them. If he is still on the board I'd go as high as the 12 and next year's pick top 10 protected.

I'm really worried about his finishing ability. If he is so so strong and thick he should have done better.
 
Perfectly. Seriously he is big enough to play stretch 4 in spots for us. He could be the 4th wing as well. He is a two way player. His shot is good, but I don't think he's a knock down shooter like Booker or Hezonja. He's not an explosive athlete, but is strong and thick.

High end upside... Ron Artest without the crazy and maybe a little less gifted on D (Ron was pretty amazing on D)
Low end floor... a rich man's Jae Crowder

He would fill an appropriate role for a rookie and have room to grow. Would give us positional flexibility and allow us to continue switching all PnR. There has to be a deal we can make for him with Charlotte. He's not a great fit for them. If he is still on the board I'd go as high as the 12 and next year's pick top 10 protected.

listen to this man.
 
Hearing more and more about Stanley Johnson from Arizona. WHat are the chances that he is still on the board at 12?

Pros/cons? (No, I am not reading 711 pages to find out)

Johnson is a defensive beast - that's well-documented. He's one of those guys who will play until he's 40. I feel like there's a 15%-20% chance he'll be there at 12. I feel like Johnson will never be a star - just a really solid complimentary piece - he'll be better overall than Bruce Bowen - I don't think he'll be as good as Leonard but the common Artest/World Peace comparison seems more accurate.
 
Johnson is a defensive beast - that's well-documented. He's one of those guys who will play until he's 40. I feel like there's a 15%-20% chance he'll be there at 12. I feel like Johnson will never be a star - just a really solid complimentary piece - he'll be better overall than Bruce Bowen - I don't think he'll be as good as Leonard but the common Artest/World Peace comparison seems more accurate.

Basically he looks like a really strong 3-D small forward. He can do straight line drives and seems to have good intangibles. I think he will be a better shooter than artest but not an all-nba defender.
 
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