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Kaminsky's situation and development is so unique though, I don't really think it's comparable to anything though.
 
Cy said:
He does have a point though. It is hard to find players who struggled their first 2 years and exploded in their JR/SR who are succesful in the NBA (it's hard to find them period). The ones you do find are complete flops.

Small sample size, so probably doesn't mean anything though.
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Not really that rare... Locke noted two players in one tweet that basically fit the profile last night. Ezeli and Draymond Green. Frank didn't play as much his first two years... he was an underclassmen and had more experienced guys ahead of him... Bo Ryan is kinda old school. He definitely got better, but he wasn't terrible. There have certainly been some senior busts but its not like its needle in a hay stack rare to find good contributors.

It is hard to nail every pick outside of the top 5... there are many ways to fail. Its a red flag but not a death knell.
 
Cy said:
Kaminsky's situation and development is so unique though, I don't really think it's comparable to anything though.
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This is all I've been really calling for... these guys are different. Evaluate the player and his game, not solely his age.
 
Cy said:
Even those guys where getting good minutes and putting up stats their SO years though. They weren't flat out dominating, but they were doing pretty good.
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True. The thing with Kaminsky is he wasn't getting time in his second year, but he wasn't playing bad. For example, his PER was 25.3 that year, his per40 numbers were 16/7/3ast/2bl/2stl. He had the best ORtg and second best DRtg on the team that year, as well as the best WS/40 number and the best BPM number. He was playing behind Jared Berggren who was a senior. I'm not a fan of the per40 when you are getting 10mpg, because there usually is a reason why you are getting only 10mpg, but his raw stats in the time he played weren't bad by any stretch. Is it possible it is simply a case of seniority within the team and him not getting much playing time because of him not being a highly sought out recruit, i.e. his coach not realizing how good he actually was at the time and giving the playing time to the senior?
 
Carbon13 said:
RHJ is the other one Locke likes. I also wonder if the FO likes him. Just looked up his college shooting #s and was discouraged when i saw Kawhi, Iggy, and MKG were all better shooters than him. RHJs shooting numbers are very comparable to Aminus. Would yall be okay with drafting an aminu type?
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No. Not with the current roster and skillset that this team has.
 
stitches said:
True. The thing with Kaminsky is he wasn't getting time in his second year, but he wasn't playing bad. For example, his PER was 25.3 that year, his per40 numbers were 16/7/3ast/2bl/2stl. He had the best ORtg and second best DRtg on the team that year, as well as the best WS/40 number and the best BPM number. He was playing behind Jared Berggren who was a senior. I'm not a fan of the per40 when you are getting 10mpg, because there usually is a reason why you are getting only 10mpg, but his raw stats in the time he played weren't bad by any stretch. Is it possible it is simply a case of seniority within the team and him not getting much playing time because of him not being a highly sought out recruit, i.e. his coach not realizing how good he actually was at the time and giving the playing time to the senior?
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It seems this is the case to me... he led the team in offensive rating and win shares per 40 minutes as a sophomore. Limited minutes, but he may have already been the best player on the team. The small sample size is confirmed in the coming years. These situations are unique and you have to evaluate everything rather than saying "he's old and so that never works"
 
NBADRAFT.NET has us taking Dekker at 12 while Johnson is taken at 11 and Turner at 13. For the 2nd round they have us taking another Trey Burke and a SG.
 
kabenac said:
NBADRAFT.NET has us taking Dekker at 12 while Johnson is taken at 11 and Turner at 13. For the 2nd round they have us taking another Trey Burke and a SG.
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If we draft Dekker with Turner, Kaminsky and Oubre still on the board I'd be shocked...
 
Do you guys ever wonder if the jazz feel limited to the popular mock drafts? Like at 12 its pretty unlikely the bpa is any of the guys weve talked about but is probably somebody who will end up a steal much lower, like Jimmy Butler. Do you think our team has the cajones to draft that guy at 12?
 
stitches said:
If we draft Dekker with Turner, Kaminsky and Oubre still on the board I'd be shocked...
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Yeah just cuz he looks like Keith Van Horn and people have compared him to Hayward doesn't mean he's our guy... silly darftnet.
 
No, I don't think the Jazz FO actually conspire with Locke to give false information. But it stands to reason that, since Locke needs to publish SOMETHING, he probably asks insiders questions. But the FO knows Locke is the media and whatever they say to him is likely given to the public. So anyone the FO likes they probably give Locke the impression they're kinda lukewarm on. If Locke asks about someone the FO is not high on then maybe FO talks about that players good attributes. And then Locke has info to publish. For those who play fantasy sports you probably do the same thing with the guys in your league. And if you don't, you probably should.
 
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