Following potential 2015 draftees

[Elizah Huge]

Not really. You could end up making a terrible deal.

What if Hood turns out to be a stud, and then you trade him, picks, and Burke for Okafor who could turn out be a very average crappy one way player. Or someone else who just isn't that good. Then you wasted all those assets and set your franchise back pretty far.

We know we have some pretty good stuff right now and are gonna be pretty good. It's hard to argue we mortgage everything just to take a chance on another lengthy development project.

You could say the same thing about any player in this draft.

 

[Game6Conley]

I don't know if I'm buying all the Cameron Payne hype. He isn't much bigger than Burke, a little quicker, but his numbers are a near carbon copy of Burke's at Michigan's.
He got to the free throw line once more per 40 minutes than Burke did, at the expense of a higher turnover rate.

there's a few important distinctions between the 2.

I could say he's got a better feel for the game and leave it at that, but Ill attempt to pinpoint a few differences;

Payne's a lefty,
his floater is better,
His shooting mechanics are 2-3 clicks faster, sets his feet ultra quick off the dribble
for the most part keeps his dribble lower than Trey,
he's more 'shifty' (stops on a dime),
he's better at baiting defenders with his eyes
I think he maintains composure better when in a compromised situation, splits double teams cleaner,
He's 'sneakier' and finds/creates unothodox passing lanes.

 

[The Midnight]

there's a few important distinctions between the 2.

I could say he's got a better feel for the game and leave it at that, but Ill attempt to pinpoint a few differences;

Payne's a lefty,
his floater is better,
His shooting mechanics are 2-3 clicks faster, sets his feet ultra quick off the dribble
for the most part keeps his dribble lower than Trey,
he's more 'shifty' (stops on a dime),
he's better at baiting defenders with his eyes
I think he maintains composure better when in a compromised situation, splits double teams cleaner,
He's 'sneakier' and finds/creates unothodox passing lanes.

This.


The Burke comparison stops at both being a PG.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You could say the same thing about any player in this draft.

They will only trade Hood if they are in love with a prospect. So in that aspect, I would feel confident that if they do trade Hood, they must be near certain they are drafting a very good player.

I just doubt they feel that way about anyone within reach.

 

[Hotdog]

You could say the same thing about any player in this draft.

I agree. I don't see a for sure thing in this draft anywherr. Although, I'm sure there is an all star or two. It's just hard to be sure who that is. My gut tells me it's Russell. He about the only one I'd swing for the fences on. But even then Im not sure.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

This.


The Burke comparison stops at both being a PG.

You forget that Burke was a really good college PG in a much better conference than Payne played in. There is a reason we traded up for him and posters like Dalatard made threads dedicated to him.

It's easy to look at these prospects and say they look great, but on the NBA court it's a much different game, especially for PG's.

Payne does seem to be a lot more athletic and bigger than Burke even though the #'s don't suggest that big of a difference.

For as good as Payne looks, he still isn't an elite level (or close to it IMO) athlete and he has average PG size. He is going to struggle at the same things Burke struggles with, probably not as badly, but I predict teh struggles will be similar.

 

[The Midnight]

You forget that Burke was a really good college PG in a much better conference than Payne played in. There is a reason we traded up for him and posters like Dalatard made threads dedicated to him.

It's easy to look at these prospects and say they look great, but on the NBA court it's a much different game, especially for PG's.

Payne does seem to be a lot more athletic and bigger than Burke even though the #'s don't suggest that big of a difference.

For as good as Payne looks, he still isn't an elite level (or close to it IMO) athlete and he has average PG size. He is going to struggle at the same things Burke struggles with, probably not as badly, but I predict teh struggles will be similar.

Many thought Burke could have gone top #3 in that draft had he been a few inches taller.

 

[BENTLEY]

Would be super surprised if we trade up for Porzingis. You have to really really like a guy to commit that many assets to a player who is as risky as Porz is.

No one in this draft is good enough to trade up for outside of Russell and Towns.

This.

 

[Hotdog]

We could definitely use anohter wing.

Ingles is funny, but he isn't a rotation player on a contending team. I think we need to upgrade that 4th wing for sure. Unless Millsap develops a consistent 3pt shot, we will have to get another quality wing.

Same goes with every position right now. All our backups kind of suck or are just OK other than Hood and, at times, Booker (though he hasn't really shown to be consistent enough). We definitely need upgrades everywhere.

Personally I would highlight back-up center as our least concern since I'd rather just see us go small when Gobert isn't in the game.

That's debatable.

I don't think it's a must we get another wing. What are we going to do with that person? Start them over Burks and Hood? Surely we aren't going to play them over Hayward.

I think Ingles a just fine for a 4th wing. You need guys who don't expect to be plating starter minutes. It's goes to helping out with chemistry, and he wasn't all that bad, and got better as the year went on, and could get even better.

I'll take another wing, but it's not a must imo.

I like Booker too, for the same reasons, he's a great backup power forward. He'll know his role off the bench. Plus you have to love the guy. I know I do. I'm a big fan. He brings a lot of energy and is pretty good.

What are we going to do with another point guard? Are we really going to tell Exum and Burke to have a seat so we can play some other guy over them? It will just make them go sour, and hate the team, and we'll have another Kanter situation. We pretty much have to give them another chance. Then if doesn't work, make a mid season trade and bail.

That leaves us with the only need of a backup center. We can easily fill the 3rd point guard role with someone like Cotton.

If we want another wing, then just pick one up in free agency. Like KJ McDaniels

 

[cowhide]

So you don't think his value is high enough in the regard that in a trade #12 & Hood for #7 or #8, it would be an even deal?

I think everyone is underestimating Hood. Dude put up a few 20 pt games and the kid can also shoot the rock. Jazz need more shooters so why are people wanting to get rid of one of the best shooters on the team.

THere is really no realistic real trade that will allow the Jazz to move up without gutting our roster. Jazz need to add more talent and not make trades that may or may not increase our talent.

Jazz need to strengthen their bench. THis automatically happens with Burks coming back. So the Jazz need to have more scoring off the bench -#12 pick. Then maybe add a free agent that is a glue guy. I would rather throw in Burke plus additional draft picks then also include Hood. So Burke #12, OKC first or GS first (with protection) or our 2016 pick which won't be so high. The Jazz don't really need two first round picks next year + the Jazz have a boat load of 2nds.

Give the team another year under Quinn and then see what you have. If you trade 2 guys and 2 or 3 picks for one player that player better be at least a superstar or multiple year all-star guy. I don't see any realistic trades to move that high up and I don't really think there is a guarantee superstar in this draft.

 

[Hotdog]

I think everyone is underestimating Hood. Dude put up a few 20 pt games and the kid can also shoot the rock. Jazz need more shooters so why are people wanting to get rid of one of the best shooters on the team.

THere is really no realistic real trade that will allow the Jazz to move up without gutting our roster. Jazz need to add more talent and not make trades that may or may not increase our talent.

Jazz need to strengthen their bench. THis automatically happens with Burks coming back. So the Jazz need to have more scoring off the bench -#12 pick. Then maybe add a free agent that is a glue guy. I would rather throw in Burke plus additional draft picks then also include Hood. So Burke #12, OKC first or GS first (with protection) or our 2016 pick which won't be so high. The Jazz don't really need two first round picks next year + the Jazz have a boat load of 2nds.

Give the team another year under Quinn and then see what you have. If you trade 2 guys and 2 or 3 picks for one player that player better be at least a superstar or multiple year all-star guy. I don't see any realistic trades to move that high up and I don't really think there is a guarantee superstar in this draft.

I think you are over estimating just how many of us would give up on Hood that easily. He has a lot of fans here. I'm a big fan and wouldn't be throwing him in as trade fodder. It's just a few people that would.

 

[stitches]

Highlights from Aris vs Olympiakos(Greek League semi-final playoff) today(Vezenkov 28pts(9/16FG, 3/6 3pFG, 7/11 FT, 6rbs, 2ast, 1bl, 1st):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgqk7gtonAA

Vezenkov is No. 14. Shows he can back up smaller players in the post when switched on him and finish with skill around the rim. Had a nice backdoor cut and a nice quick trigger for a 3 in that video. Intriguing for a second round pick...

Olympiakos was one of the best teams in Europe this year - played final in the Euroleague vs Real Madrid.