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To be fair, Cy was pretty high on Hezonja in the beginning of the year, he seems to have mellowed on him, which is alright - people move up and down draft boards all the time. I haven't noticed him being prejudiced against Euro players by any means. I also hate that constant pointing to previous picks made by users in order to discredit their argument about current prospects. Well guess what, if you express opinions about enough prospects, you will get some wrong... likewise, if you express opinions about enough players, you will get some right.

That shaming and bragging about who you got right and who others got wrong is pretty disgusting if you ask me. Guess what, none of us are employed as scouts. And even those employed as scouts don't get even close to getting everything right. I'd much prefer to discuss prospects based on what we are seeing them do now with arguments about those specific prospect, than using previous misses or hits to justify or attack people's opinions.

Oh, you were wrong about X, well I guess I can ignore everything you say now about Y then. (subtitute 'you' with DL, X with Trey Burke and Y with Gobert and you will see just how ridiculous those types of arguments are) That's a game without winner really and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
 
If I knew RHJ will become even a 35% 3p shoter I'd take him top 5.

That possibility actually is the reason I wouldn't mind us taking him #12. I don't think it's likely he will become average 3p shooter in the league, but if there is a small chance he does, he will be a tremendous player.
 
stitches said:
To be fair, Cy was pretty high on Hezonja in the beginning of the year, he seems to have mellowed on him, which is alright - people move up and down draft boards all the time. I haven't noticed him being prejudiced against Euro players by any means. I also hate that constant pointing to previous picks made by users in order to discredit their argument about current prospects. Well guess what, if you express opinions about enough prospects, you will get some wrong... likewise, if you express opinions about enough players, you will get some right.

That shaming and bragging about who you got right and who others got wrong is pretty disgusting if you ask me. Guess what, none of us are employed as scouts. And even those employed as scouts don't get even close to getting everything right. I'd much prefer to discuss prospects based on what we are seeing them do now with arguments about those specific prospect, than using previous misses or hits to justify or attack people's opinions.

Oh, you were wrong about X, well I guess I can ignore everything you say now about Y then. (subtitute 'you' with DL, X with Trey Burke and Y with Gobert and you will see just how ridiculous those types of arguments are) That's a game without winner really and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
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The term you're looking for is "ad hominem logical fallacy."
 
stitches said:
To be fair, Cy was pretty high on Hezonja in the beginning of the year, he seems to have mellowed on him, which is alright - people move up and down draft boards all the time. I haven't noticed him being prejudiced against Euro players by any means. I also hate that constant pointing to previous picks made by users in order to discredit their argument about current prospects. Well guess what, if you express opinions about enough prospects, you will get some wrong... likewise, if you express opinions about enough players, you will get some right.

That shaming and bragging about who you got right and who others got wrong is pretty disgusting if you ask me. Guess what, none of us are employed as scouts. And even those employed as scouts don't get even close to getting everything right. I'd much prefer to discuss prospects based on what we are seeing them do now with arguments about those specific prospect, than using previous misses or hits to justify or attack people's opinions.

Oh, you were wrong about X, well I guess I can ignore everything you say now about Y then. (subtitute 'you' with DL, X with Trey Burke and Y with Gobert and you will see just how ridiculous those types of arguments are) That's a game without winner really and doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
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I agree with this but you must understand that part of the reason cy gets harassed about this stuff is because he brags so much when he is right, points out when others are wrong more than anyone, and is often rude to others.

He makes his bed, he can lie in it. He is a big boy who dishes out every bit as much as he gets.
 
Thing about Dekker is that he had to play in a super slow offense that didn't get many fast break and opportunities and often played in the final seconds of shot clocks. I think he will look a lot better in the NBA.
 
Here's a more Vezenkov specific highlight from yesterday's game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omn77cmzbkY

His movement without the ball seems great. Backdoor cuts, runs the floor well, quick trigger on the 3... I'm getting more and more willing to consider him in the second round even knowing he might be a liability in defense.
 
stitches said:
Here's a more Vezenkov specific highlight from yesterday's game:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omn77cmzbkY

His movement without the ball seems great. Backdoor cuts, runs the floor well, quick trigger on the 3... I'm getting more and more willing to consider him in the second round even knowing he might be a liability in defense.
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Is he a liability on defense or a disaster. He seems slow but gets the job done.
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree with this but you must understand that part of the reason cy gets harassed about this stuff is because he brags so much when he is right, points out when others are wrong more than anyone, and is often rude to others.

He makes his bed, he can lie in it. He is a big boy who dishes out every bit as much as he gets.
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I don't keep a score of who does it and who doesn't and it was meant as a broader condemnation of that practice not just in this instance.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Is he a liability on defense or a disaster. He seems slow but gets the job done.
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Umh... he gets burned while in zone defense ... in Greece! As Sam Vecenie puts it "he might be the worst defender in the league" when he comes over. He's young though... he doesn't seem to be in defensive stance much. I don't know if his defense can be improved by working on his stance, footwork in D, etc. I posted another video of the same game last night. You can see him getting beat off the dribble on the closeout, simply because he's not in a stance. He's also pretty slow laterally.

On the other hand, from the limited footage I've seen he rotates well in D and has all around good bball IQ, so he might work into a system with better defenders where you can hide him.

Jonathan Givony ‏@DraftExpress 23m23 minutes ago

Huge game for Aleksandar Vezenkov in the Greek playoffs yesterday. 28 points on 16 shots in a win over Olympiacos. DX scouting video coming.
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They have probably seen more of him and can give better assessment. Can't wait for the defense part.
 
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