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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bad work ethic isnt a fatal flaw?
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Not sure that is really a thing... I mean his body fat came in high, but he looks like a kid that just plays basketball and hasn't been put on a proper weight lifting routine.

You don't get a jumper as sweet as his by not working.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure that is really a thing... I mean his body fat came in high, but he looks like a kid that just plays basketball and hasn't been put on a proper weight lifting routine.

You don't get a jumper as sweet as his by not working.
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I've heard it in draft podcast by draft people. Your body fat coming in at 14% as a kid who isnt known as being bulky is a red flag. Dont give me BS about Syracuse not having proper weight lifting, they are a rich program. It's not like the dude was coming out of a mid-major.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I've heard it in draft podcast by draft people. Your body fat coming in at 14% as a kid who isnt known as being bulky is a red flag. Dont give me BS about Syracuse not having proper weight lifting, they are a rich program. It's not like the dude was coming out of a mid-major.
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maybe its a nutrition thing then... it's not like they are NBA level athletic development programs... Looking at his profile he has made improvement to his body (from draft people).

Dude is still pretty athletic and you don't shoot 40% from three by not getting in the gym. I don't think he's a bad worker... many guys have come in with similar body fat% and been fine. Easier to drop some fat than it is to add muscle.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
maybe its a nutrition thing then... it's not like they are NBA level athletic development programs... Looking at his profile he has made improvement to his body (from draft people).

Dude is still pretty athletic and you don't shoot 40% from three by not getting in the gym. I don't think he's a bad worker... many guys have come in with similar body fat% and been fine. Easier to drop some fat than it is to add muscle.
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Yes, on the podcast I remember saying Tyler Lydon eats a lot of candy/junk food. Can that be improved, sure. Kevin Love really worked hard and changed his body. But Lydon isnt better than any of the other stretch 4's in the draft.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yes, on the podcast I remember saying Tyler Lydon eats a lot of candy/junk food. Can that be improved, sure. Kevin Love really worked hard and changed his body. But Lydon isnt better than any of the other stretch 4's in the draft.
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Sure... just don't think that's a fatal flaw... it's a highly correctable flaw. Fatal flaw would be like he is too small or athletic ceiling may be too low or a completely busted jumper.

i don't think his body fat is an indicator of his work ethic... likely a bad habit... many guys adjust their nutrition in the NBA when they get good advice and such.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Sure... just don't think that's a fatal flaw... it's a highly correctable flaw. Fatal flaw would be like he is too small or athletic ceiling may be too low or a completely busted jumper.

i don't think his body fat is an indicator of his work ethic... likely a bad habit... many guys adjust their nutrition in the NBA when they get good advice and such.
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I guess not, but being 21 and in the prime of your metabolic youth, it's concerning. If you can't get in shape after a season of playing basketball and a few months of training time in preparation for the biggest workouts interviews of your career, what will motivate you?

Lyles had a similar issue and after his promising rookie year showed little signs of progress in year 2, which could point to work ethic.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I guess not, but being 21 and in the prime of your metabolic youth, it's concerning. If you can't get in shape after a season of playing basketball and a few months of training time in preparation for the biggest workouts interviews of your career, what will motivate you?

Lyles had a similar issue and after his promising rookie year showed little signs of progress in year 2, which could point to work ethic.
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I'm more concerned he's a defensive tweener than his work ethic. His steal and block rates are decent and show he uses his length to get his hands on the ball, but he played in the zone so I'd be worried he'd get smoked on switches and may not get strong enough to hold his own near the basket.

If Lyles shot 40% from three I'd be fine with his less than ideal physique.
 
White Chocolate said:
DX came out with a new mock after the withdrawal deadline. Jonathan Jeanne at 24 and Derrick White at 30.


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Did you see the SI Mock with Wilson (24) and Sumner (30)? Interestingly, DX also has the Jazz drafting Sumner but with the 42 pick.

I had to read Sumner's Bio. And as I read it my first impression was..."This guy is Dante Exum"

Using his quick first step and ability to attack the rim, Sumner can slash to the rim off the dribble, where he converts at a rate of 53% according to Synergy Sports Technology. He has no trouble playing above the rim when he penetrates, but isn't a crafty finisher at the rim, lacking a degree of touch, and can get a little out of control at times, which hurts his ability to finish efficiently. The one area where Sumner must improve as a driver is with his ball-handling skills as he struggles to break down the defense with his loose handle. - Source: https://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Edmond-Sumner-71622/ ©DraftExpress
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Derrick White is definitely a good fit on Utah. More of a sure thing than Frank Jackson, but I guess less upside because of the age gap.
 
mellow said:
Did you see the SI Mock with Wilson (24) and Sumner (30)? Interestingly, DX also has the Jazz drafting Sumner but with the 42 pick.

I had to read Sumner's Bio. And as I read it my first impression was..."This guy is Dante Exum"
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If we draft another Exum at 42 and Kuzma goes at 43 I will cry.
 
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