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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The more I fuss around with trying to figure out how good college players will be in the NBA, the more I realize just how different college and the NBA are. To put it bluntly, Tre Johnson is a better NBA athlete than Brice Sensabaugh is. Brice is barely athletic enough to play at this level. I'd expect this to become more clear during the Combine testing.

Put Brice on the same floor as Jerami Grant, Toumani Camara and Shaedon Sharpe, and Brice can't do much besides taking open catch-and-shoot jumpers.
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I mean Tre likely gonna struggle with that group too lol. I think he's a better athlete... but how is he using that because his activity numbers are worse than Brice's in college. He isn't getting to better/easier shots at the college level.
 
Another thing on Jase, he has elite FT shooting %'s. That combined with the unreal touch, I think you could talk yourself into projecting him as a very talented offensive player. I could see him, like a Devin Booker, really leveling up when you give him more responsibility.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think its VJ's reported personality. I think being serious or a pro might be part of what his issue is with Brice. IDK. Hardy just seems to be a hardass sometimes but I can't figure out if there is a common quality. He and Walker kinda had their issues. Collin got yanked around with his PT a little. Brice stuff... there were also reports of the Jazz not liking Collins slowness to pick up the schemes or whatever... When you are drafting as high as we are then it obviously isn't the biggest concern but if things are equal maybe some of those things are the items that tip the scale?
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I'd put Hardy's preferences in the bin of "do not really care". The first reason being that there really isn't a big pattern, but if you do find a pattern....I don't think those things are necessarily good. If I had to describe any pattern it certainly wouldn't be tilted towards high effort, defensive players. To be honest, I think Hardy would be on the very low end of the hardass/defense/effort first coach rankings. Like I said earlier, players with comically bad effort/defense have made his good list. So when thinking about VJ's or any other players personality I don't really consider Hardy's personal preferences and instead just think about them in a general sense. I hope we draft players with better mentalities and habits and that's the case regardless of who the coach is.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean Tre likely gonna struggle with that group too lol. I think he's a better athlete... but how is he using that because his activity numbers are worse than Brice's in college. He isn't getting to better/easier shots at the college level.
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I tend to go by the eye test and then use stats to look for evidence to confirm my biases. I wouldn't draw too many definitive conclusions based on college stats alone. Tre is having to create shots under pressure all over the floor against SEC defenders. I don't think it's the same experience that Brice had at Ohio State. FT shooting is often a better apples-to-apples comparison of shooting ability between players, and Tre is shooting just over 88% at the line.

My point is that Brice isn't playing at today's NBA speed, and he's not creating against high-caliber NBA athletes. I don't want to overstate it--that last game against Detroit was a complete write-off, but the difference in athleticism between some of the Pistons' players and ours got pretty stark. Brice was 0-for-5 from the floor and had 5 turnovers in 16 minutes. It was pretty obvious he was uncomfortable.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Another thing on Jase, he has elite FT shooting %'s. That combined with the unreal touch, I think you could talk yourself into projecting him as a very talented offensive player. I could see him, like a Devin Booker, really leveling up when you give him more responsibility.
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Their top 4 leaders in minutes are all small scoring guards. Could definitely be the case of too many cooks in the kitchen and he would be killing it in a bigger role. He has not missed a beat since moving into the starting lineup.
 
Cashiggy hasn't had a new scouting video in 5 days and I'm going through withdrawals.

It's been 3 weeks since hoop intellect put out a new video.

Does anybody know where else you can find scouting videos that show both the makes and misses?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Fleming almost never has a bad game. (As he should considering it's the A10). Really hope they get in the tournament
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He's going to jump into the lotto. Once measurements and testing happen. The eye test says he's a monster and once you put numbers too it he will rise. Both Bryant and Flemming will go top 20. Not a lot of 3 and D types and I think they are both good bets.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
The more I fuss around with trying to figure out how good college players will be in the NBA, the more I realize just how different college and the NBA are. To put it bluntly, Tre Johnson is a better NBA athlete than Brice Sensabaugh is. Brice is barely athletic enough to play at this level. I'd expect this to become more clear during the Combine testing.

Put Brice on the same floor as Jerami Grant, Toumani Camara and Shaedon Sharpe, and Brice can't do much besides taking open catch-and-shoot jumpers. Brice has already put in good work to improve his body, but he still looks slow compared to guys like Svi and Juzang.
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bottom line, sensabaugh is fat. hard to be good in the nba when you are a fat guard. not as hard in college.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's going to jump into the lotto. Once measurements and testing happen. The eye test says he's a monster and once you put numbers too it he will rise. Both Bryant and Flemming will go top 20. Not a lot of 3 and D types and I think they are both good bets.
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It will be interesting to see which teams opt to go for a super productive big with questionable translatability (Queen, Wolf, CMB, Newell, Toppin) or just someone that seems to fit well into a role like Fleming or Bryant.
 
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