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KqWIN said:
How would we view VJ if we knew nothing about him before? I wonder if he's suffering from the "underwhelming" effect.
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I mean he is going to go 3 or 4 in the draft so not sure he's suffering. He's basically right where I expected him to be but had hoped to see him really pop.
 
KqWIN said:
How would we view VJ if we knew nothing about him before? I wonder if he's suffering from the "underwhelming" effect.
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In my opinion, if anything, he's getting mocked higher because of his preseason hype. Besides the highlight plays, I'm not sure you can point to anything specifically that would make you think he is going to be a really high level NBA player.

FWIW, I think the 3-5 range is right where he should be in this draft. What he's shown gives him a pretty high floor and is athleticism gives him a pretty high ceiling.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
In my opinion, if anything, he's getting mocked higher because of his preseason hype. Besides the highlight plays, I'm not sure you can point to anything specifically that would make you think he is going to be a really high level NBA player.

FWIW, I think the 3-5 range is right where he should be in this draft. What he's shown gives him a pretty high floor and is athleticism gives him a pretty high ceiling.
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I think he's also benefitted from no one other than Harper and Coop really popping and putting a stranglehold on 3 or 4. Ace looked great for a few weeks and faded pretty hard. Kas faded... Traore/Demin feel way off.
 
KqWIN said:
Philon is amazing on paper....he just doesn't have great physical tools some I'm worried about his transition to the NBA.
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He's skinny, but so are a lot of the guys his age. I don't know his measurements, but he looks plenty long to defend 1 or 2s. He's functionally athletic enough to put up the stocks/rebounding numbers he is, so I'm not really sure what you are concerned about?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean he is going to go 3 or 4 in the draft so not sure he's suffering. He's basically right where I expected him to be but had hoped to see him really pop.
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I think most would agree that this class is disappointing though. I guess I'm not saying he's suffering in his draft position, but I think the excitement to get VJ at 3 was likely higher than getting VJ at 3 is now. Before the year it seemed like there could be 4-5 guys that were considered #1 caliber.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
He's skinny, but so are a lot of the guys his age. I don't know his measurements, but he looks plenty long to defend 1 or 2s. He's functionally athletic enough to put up the stocks/rebounding numbers he is, so I'm not really sure what you are concerned about?
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I am always one to say that the way they play basketball is more than the measurables, but if he had the physical tools to match his numbers (like a Castle or Black in previous years) I think he could be considered a top 8 pick. His numbers are better than those two, just not the same athlete and frame. It's the difference between being a top 8 pick versus probably a top 15-20 player on my board.
 
KqWIN said:
I think most would agree that this class is disappointing though. I guess I'm not saying he's suffering in his draft position, but I think the excitement to get VJ at 3 was likely higher than getting VJ at 3 is now. Before the year it seemed like there could be 4-5 guys that were considered #1 caliber.
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Yeah I agree. I think there are 2 guys you feel are cornerstones. I think VJ is more a building block with potential to be a cornerstone if a handful of things click in maybe. Coming into the season you could squint and see 5ish guys that are cornerstones and it just kinda didn't pan out that way or they **** the bed.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
CMB is probably top 5 on my homer list, but I'm not sure I would even want the Jazz to draft him if he was available with the Minnesota pick. I suppose he's like Queen where he really needs to go to the right situation.

Maybe I just don't have enough imagination, but I just can't see how his game works in the NBA. I still love him though and really really hope that he figures it out in the NBA, because I would love to watch him dominate in the league.
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Plain and simple, he needs to shoot well enough to play on a spaced floor. If he can do that then things become interesting.
 
I've seen Philon in the second round but can't remember if it was ESPN or Wasserman or something. Pretty wild from about 8/9 on. Might be someone really interesting on the board when the Minny pick comes around.
 
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