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Following Potential 2025 Draftees

SoberasHotRod said:
Just out of curiosity I looked at the prospects out of international leagues selected in the first round of the past 7 drafts: Risacher, Sarr, Salaun, Topic, AJ Johnson, Dadiet, Wemby, Bilal, Deng, Jovic, Giddey, Sengun, Garuba, Ball, Hayes, Avdija, Poku, Balmaro, Sekou, Goga, Samanic, Doncic, Musa
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2024 still is pending so who knows. Just seemed like a lot of misses in the lotto... outside of Wemby. Might not be any bigger than the normal value for the pick but seems like they have been overdrafted a bit lately. Maybe its just a bad run.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Just out of curiosity I looked at the prospects out of international leagues selected in the first round of the past 7 drafts: Wemby, Bilal, Deng, Jovic, Giddey, Sengun, Garuba, Ball, Hayes, Avdija, Poku, Balmaro, Sekou, Goga, Samanic, Doncic, Musa
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The guys from last draft are probably to soon to say anything. So I've highlighted the guys that are still in NBA rotations.

Honestly it's not too bad. A lot of the guys that aren't in NBA rotations were later first round picks anyway.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
2024 still is pending so who knows. Just seemed like a lot of misses in the lotto... outside of Wemby. Might not be any bigger than the normal value for the pick but seems like they have been overdrafted a bit lately. Maybe its just a bad run.
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Of the lottery picks that aren't in NBA rotations it's only Deng (who's still a highly thought of prospect in OKC), and Hayes.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Of the lottery picks that aren't in NBA rotations it's only Deng (who's still a highly thought of prospect in OKC), and Hayes.
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I'm kind of writing off Salaun. I also only kind of count Ball as international... since he was a Brandon Jennings type situation.

It just doesn't get me going when considering Noa, Saraf, Traore and some of the others.
 
I really think Kas deserves to be in this group we're discussing at #5 and I'd probably have him leading that group, but I just got to look away so I'm not disappointed.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm kind of writing off Salaun. I also only kind of count Ball as international... since he was a Brandon Jennings type situation.

It just doesn't get me going when considering Noa, Saraf, Traore and some of the others.
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Salaun was a reach in a bad draft (I was never super high on him). I think there are enough hits and only a reasonable amount of misses to not count out international guys all together.

Admittedly international ball is very different and hard to compare to NCAA. I've been trying to understand it better and it's not easy. Luckily it feels like NIL will bring more international talent to the NCAA and we'll have a better comparison in the future.
 
SoberasHotRod said:
Salaun was a reach in a bad draft (I was never super high on him). I think there are enough hits and only a reasonable amount of misses to not count out international guys all together.

Admittedly international ball is very different and hard to compare to NCAA. I've been trying to understand it better and it's not easy. Luckily it feels like NIL will bring more international talent to the NCAA and we'll have a better comparison in the future.
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It just seems like they had a better run maybe 10 years or so ago and its been kinda mid except for the obvious guys like Luka or Wemby but maybe we got better and the obvious guys stopped slipping?

Maybe they are due for some hits tho too? Was just something rattling around in my brain.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
It just seems like they had a better run maybe 10 years or so ago and its been kinda mid except for the obvious guys like Luka or Wemby but maybe we got better and the obvious guys stopped slipping?

Maybe they are due for some hits tho too? Was just something rattling around in my brain.
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If a good run maybe 10 years ago did not predict recent results, why would we care about how recent results predict future results? Didn't work then, why should it work now?

Scouting international prospects is harder, but part of that difficulty is that are even more of a case by case basis. NCAA players are way more like each other than International prospects, so I don't know why we would be wanting to group the International guys together in the first place.
 
KqWIN said:
I really think Kas deserves to be in this group we're discussing at #5 and I'd probably have him leading that group, but I just got to look away so I'm not disappointed.
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I feel the same way, but I'll admit, that if I was a GM making this decision I would have a very hard time picking Kas over Tre/Ace/VJ. I talk a big talk, but when it comes down to it I would be scared and probably go with the consensus
 
NUMBERICA said:
There is third path: trade down.
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Most people hated it when I suggested it on X but trade down and get the guy you want while getting more stuff is an option.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Most people hated it when I suggested it on X but trade down and get the guy you want while getting more stuff is an option.
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Kas is much worse than the guys in the Jazz's tier so I don't support this (Kas basically has no shot creation unless he's hitting wild step back threes, his tools are bad), but I also don't know what stuff the Jazz would even want from these other teams.

Maybe 10 and Reed Sheppard for 5 if VJ Edgecombe is still on the board?

OKC would obviously love to trade up to 5 if VJ Edgecombe is on the board. 15 and Topic and a little more for 5?
 
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