Following Potential 2025 Draftees

[KqWIN]

I’m not sure if there’s much value to looking at streaks. But one thing that I think too much about is that Ace was only good for like 10 games and was pretty horrid otherwise.

I don’t even think this represents the highs/lows of his potential. It’s just the inconsistency when such a large part of his game is contested pull up jumpers. That has got to be the most inconsistent, make or miss kind of basketball there is.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

I posted this awhile ago, so it's possible he's had a better stretch since then, but these are the per 36 numbers for Traore Jan-March.

20pts, 4 reb, 7ast, 50%fg%, 36% 3pt%

Let me see if I can calculate his last 10

This isn't Traore's last 10, but last 15 (was easier to find). I standardized it to be per 32 minutes since that seems to be the average amount the top college players are playing

19.4pts, 2.2reb, 6.5ast 50/43/69 shooting splits

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I’m not sure if there’s much value to looking at streaks. But one thing that I think too much about is that Ace was only good for like 10 games and was pretty horrid otherwise.

I don’t even think this represents the highs/lows of his potential. It’s just the inconsistency when such a large part of his game is contested pull up jumpers. That has got to be the most inconsistent, make or miss kind of basketball there is.

agreed. very little value, but it's fun and perhaps not completely meaningless as it probably speaks to a player's ability to be consistent. CMB for example. if that's really his best and worst 10 game stretch, my dude is crazy consistent and that's a great attribute. and i might be the biggest CMB detractor on the board - just haven't been vocal about it because i haven't thought there would be any danger the jazz would draft him.

and a reminder that even at his best fears still kinda sucked.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

Traore has basically been putting up comparable production to the top players in this draft, in one of the better pro leagues, for 5 months now.

People swung so hard on him though that there is apparently no coming back.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I’m not sure if there’s much value to looking at streaks. But one thing that I think too much about is that Ace was only good for like 10 games and was pretty horrid otherwise.

I don’t even think this represents the highs/lows of his potential. It’s just the inconsistency when such a large part of his game is contested pull up jumpers. That has got to be the most inconsistent, make or miss kind of basketball there is.

Dude there are 34 days until the draft. Just posting for discussion. You do not have to **** on everything.

 

[Bodhi]

Traore has basically been putting up comparable production to the top players in this draft, in one of the better pro leagues, for 5 months now.

People swung so hard on him though that there is apparently no coming back.

I think it still swings back for him and he lands in the teens.

 

[KqWIN]

Dude there are 34 days until the draft. Just posting for discussion. You do not have to **** on everything.

Not ******** on anything. Just giving my opinion on what value I place on the numbers being presented and how much can be applied.

 

[KqWIN]

agreed. very little value, but it's fun and perhaps not completely meaningless as it probably speaks to a player's ability to be consistent. CMB for example. if that's really his best and worst 10 game stretch, my dude is crazy consistent and that's a great attribute. and i might be the biggest CMB detractor on the board - just haven't been vocal about it because i haven't thought there would be any danger the jazz would draft him.

and a reminder that even at his best fears still kinda sucked.

Eh…that’s not something I would say about Fears. Fears had some massive games.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Not ******** on anything. Just giving my opinion on what value I place on the numbers being presented and how much can be applied.

Not much but I think guys like CMB it opens your eyes a little to how consistent he was.

 

[KqWIN]

Not much but I think guys like CMB it opens your eyes a little to how consistent he was.

CMB is a force. I think a reason why the twitter nerds love him is because they take the draft from a million angles (for better or worse) and he always shows up well.

It’s really just the jump shot, and he might still find a way to be good without it. If the Jazz weren’t tied to Kessler, I would absolutely have him in this group that we’re discussing at 5.

I think he could/should be the pick at #6. He and Sarr are a great theoretical duo at the 4/5.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

Ok was thinking of this trade today

Jazz Trade

Lauri Markkanen
The #5 Pick
The #21 pick

To San Antonio for

#2 pick
# 14 Pick
(The rest are fillers)
HArrison Barnes
Keldon Johnson
Malaki Branham

The Salaries work

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Any idea when that will be, or is it flexible based on when they are all done?

I saw something on this. There will be something like a Pro Day or Combine for the European prospects when they're available. I think it is about a week into June.

 

[fishonjazz]

Comparing the top NBA draft prospects worst consecutive 10-game stretch in college basketball this season:

Cooper Flagg - 15.9 PPG, 9 RPG, 3.6 APG, 1.5 SPG, 1.4 BPG, 43/22/73 splits

Dylan Harper - 13 PPG, 3.8 RPG, 3 APG, 1.1 SPG, 39/24/72 splits

Ace Bailey - 11.6 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 2 APG, 1.1 BPG, 40/17/75 splits

Tre Johnson - 16.3 PPG, 2.6 RPG, 2.2 APG, 1 SPG, 42/33/87 splits

VJ Edgecombe - 11.7 PPG, 5.9 RPG, 3.4 APG, 2.5 SPG, 41/29/66 splits

Kon Knueppel - 10.6 PPG, 3.5 RPG, 3 APG, 39/32/94 splits

Jeremiah Fears - 11.2 PPG, 4.2 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.1 SPG, 35/19/86 splits

Collin Murray-Boyles - 13.9 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 2.8 APG, 1.8 SPG, 1.3 BPG, 51% FG, 61% FT

Kasparas Jakucionis - 12.7 PPG, 6 RPG, 3.7 APG, 36/25/88 splits

Khaman Maluach - 6.7 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.2 BPG, 58% FG, 57% FT

Derik Queen - 12.5 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 1 SPG, 44% FG, 67% FT

Tre or CMB wins this one for me. VJ pretty good here as well.

(I'm not including Cooper Flagg cause **** him and Dallas)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

CMB is a force. I think a reason why the twitter nerds love him is because they take the draft from a million angles (for better or worse) and he always shows up well.

It’s really just the jump shot, and he might still find a way to be good without it. If the Jazz weren’t tied to Kessler, I would absolutely have him in this group that we’re discussing at 5.

I think he could/should be the pick at #6. He and Sarr are a great theoretical duo at the 4/5.

I think the natural thinking is that Queen at 6 is the right pairing... would be interesting to see if they choose either. If not one of them could really slide like to 12-14ish. I guess maybe its CMB/Queen/Khaman kinda of competing for those big spots and one may go a little lower. I think Sorber entered the chat for draft twitter but not sure he can go higher than any of those guys... someone may get a gem and if CMB drops and hits... the draft nerds will be insufferable.

 

[KqWIN]

I think the natural thinking is that Queen at 6 is the right pairing... would be interesting to see if they choose either. If not one of them could really slide like to 12-14ish. I guess maybe its CMB/Queen/Khaman kinda of competing for those big spots and one may go a little lower. I think Sorber entered the chat for draft twitter but not sure he can go higher than any of those guys... someone may get a gem and if CMB drops and hits... the draft nerds will be insufferable.

Just on the basis of "of course it will", you can lock in CMB to the Spurs at 14.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ok was thinking of this trade today

Jazz Trade

Lauri Markkanen
The #5 Pick
The #21 pick

To San Antonio for

#2 pick
# 14 Pick
(The rest are fillers)
HArrison Barnes
Keldon Johnson
Malaki Branham

The Salaries work

I had the same thought. Its a fair deal if they want to avoid the awkwardness of Harper, Castle, Fox.

It was also part of my thinking when I was proposing small trades back. Like if we can sub in 6/7/8 for 5 and get something back or maybe they refuse to put 14 in the deal...

It will all depend on SA and if they can get in on Giannis or if they want to make a choice on those three guys now. If they drive that car off the lot and there are some struggles (which I could see) the asset depreciates a lot. I'd probably still take Harper and figure it out if I was them.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Ok was thinking of this trade today

Jazz Trade

Lauri Markkanen
The #5 Pick
The #21 pick

To San Antonio for

#2 pick
# 14 Pick
(The rest are fillers)
HArrison Barnes
Keldon Johnson
Malaki Branham

The Salaries work

Why would the Spurs give us 14 on top of it? They won’t.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Anyone who has Queen over Yang is crazy imo

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

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Mock that has Yang going to Utah at 43. Be still my beating heart

 

[Schrödinger's Gerbil]

He’s not saying he can’t be as effective. Kon has some troubling off the dribble and isolation numbers. They are bad bad.

Where as someone like Tre has super impressive numbers in that department.

I said earlier that I'd refrain from offering my opinions on college players since I don't watch the college game. However, I'm going to break this pledge by saying that IF the Jazz draft Kon at 5, I'll rent my clothes and cover my head with ashes. I watched him during the tournament, and everything about him screams competent NBA starter/role player but nothing about him suggests a transformative star. I don't think we purposively lose 65 games to draft a competent role player. For the pain they put us through, and will continue to put us through next year, the FO's sights HAVE to be set higher than this.

The above, of course, comes with the caveat that I don't really know what I'm talking about.

Edited to add, No, this is because he's white (just in case that thought pops into anyone's mind)